Gaelan_Ainsworth wrote:Arguing that Joseph Smith translated a document badly is better than accusing him of doctoring a document (also badly).
Bear in mind that Smith is guilty of both. His doctoring of the Hypocephalus was an outright joke and his placement of upside down hieroglyphic characters was proof that the Spirit of Mormonism wasn't reading Egyptian at all.
I have something new to say to the LDS apologists (listen up John Gee) and they are not going to like it. Mainly this: I assert that the character of Anubis in the original papyrus was most certainly a jackal headed person. I don't care what's in the Facsimile No. 3 print because it is fraudulent. Facts are facts and Anubis is always jackal-headed, period. Show me the original papyrus and then I'll change my mind. Until then, the missing roll theory has just come back to bite the apologists in the ass! It's time they taste a little of their own medicine. They can dish it out but let's see how easy they can take it.
Shulem wrote:This particular finding deserves some serious attention. It raises more questions about the Joseph Smith papyrus and the handling thereof according to Smith's own liking. This is not good news for the apologists! I suspect Smith instructed Reuben Hedlock to re-engrave the woodcut on Facsimile No. 3 to get rid of the snout. It all seems so clear to me now!
If Reuben Hedlock faithfully chiseled an image of the jackal headed Anubis for Facsimile No. 3 as portrayed on the original papyrus drawn by Abraham, why would Joseph Smith get rid of the snout and make it look human? Why should Smith correct Abraham's original handiwork?
Did Joseph Smith instruct Reuben Hedlock to chisel the jackal snout off the original wood cut of Facsimile No. 3 prior to publication into the Times and Seasons?
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A couple of things here. What I knew about most regarding Book of Abraham controversies came from Kerry Shirts. I don't recall every detail about the papyrus or hypocephalus, KEP or what have you, but I can resurrect the details if I need to.
Are you missing the chiseled portion to next to the single ear (to the right) that we see in this image? The marks that I see there lead me to believe that not only was Anubis' snout removed, but also one ear.
In any case, I don't know who Reuben Hedlock is. I don't recall having read about that person in my Book of Abraham travels years ago.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Shulem or Philo Sofee I need your help with something. I don't recall ever seeing mention of this wood cut anywhere in my Book of Abraham travels. If Kerry Shirts covered it, I don't recall it and I think I've read and seen all of his coverage of Book of Abraham defenses in writing, DVD, and the BYP Channel.
What's the back story regarding this wood cut? Where did it come from, where is it now?
Don't write a book. Just give me the gist of what this is, please.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote:Are you missing the chiseled portion to next to the single ear (to the right) that we see in this image? The marks that I see there lead me to believe that not only was Anubis' snout removed, but also one ear.
I've looked for a remnants of what might be construed as a second ear but the impressions are not nearly as telltale as that of the snout. If the reconstruction of a missing missing ear can be reasonable demonstrated by a professional engraver this would greatly strengthen the case in proving Smith's deception.
Jersey Girl wrote:In any case, I don't know who Reuben Hedlock is. I don't recall having read about that person in my Book of Abraham travels years ago.
Hedlock by trade was a printer, carpenter, and journeyman who was specially appointed by Joseph Smith to work on the production of the Book of Abraham at the printing press for the Times and Seasons. He was a key player in this work and was also a prominent member in the church.
Jersey Girl wrote:What's the back story regarding this wood cut? Where did it come from, where is it now?
Reuben Hedlock designed the plates for the Facsimiles which are artistic copies of the actual papyrus. Note his name on the bottom of Facsimile No. 3: "ENG. BY R. HEDLOCK". The actual plates are in the possession of the LDS church to this day.
You'll note the line along the front of the face. It appears like the engraver was going to give the man a little bit more of a curve to the bridge of the nose, but decided against it.
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:You'll note the line along the front of the face. It appears like the engraver was going to give the man a little bit more of a curve to the bridge of the nose, but decided against it.
That jumped out at me when I first discovered the impression of the missing snout. But in reference to the chin and nose it looks like the engraver chopped straight into the wood to separate the snout from the head before chiseling it away. The line actually looks like a hack.
Now, to add more of my personal feeling and impressions: I think Reuben Hedlock was pissed for having to mutilate his original work and he hacked into it with an edge of anger. A professional analysis of the woodworking will greatly aid in further discussion and in supporting my theory that Joseph Smith pulled a fast one.
Fence Sitter wrote:If I recall correctly someone (another reference I need to chase down) has pointed out that in Facsimile#1 you can see traces of the head cloth on Anubis' shoulder just above and to the right of the raised foot of the deceased Osiris. Another indication the Joseph Smith incorrectly restored the Jackal head of Anubis as a human head in Fac #1
The high resolution photo under full magnification of the original papyrus for Facsimile No. 1 reveals gentle strokes of ink in circular motion that may well be material ends of the headcloth itself.
A professional examination by Egyptologists is in order.
Edward H. Ashment THE FACSIMILES OF THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM: A REAPPRAISAL wrote: Those traces are significant in that they are a clear indication of the god Anubis who is closely associated with the Osiris mysteries. The narrow stripes clearly are the bottom of Anubis’ headdress.
Fence Sitter wrote:Well the reason for the change, if one occurred is obvious, only black humans were slaves in America in the 19th century.
This would implicate Joseph Smith for incorporating American values into his own brand of Egyptology.
Fence Sitter wrote:by the way Shulem, before you go too much further with this claim, you might want to run it by an Egyptologist who is familiar with the way Anubis is portrayed in other similar settings.
I'd like to run it through this board and get a collective idea from others if the space in the wood cut indeed appears that a jackal snout was removed by the engraver. There are a lot of smart people on this board. The details of the whole head would've course be best interpreted by professional Egyptologists. Bear in mind though, the proposed nose-print in relief form is what's left over from the hacking of the original work of an American engraver unfamiliar with Egyptian conventions. Converting papyrus imagery into a rough wood cut for printing, there are bound to be differences.
Based on what you see in the enlarged woodcut plate, do you sense that there was a jackal nose originally carved and afterward removed? Which way do you tend to lean knowing what you know right now? On a scale of 1-10: 1 being there is no way there was a nose and 10 being there was most certainly a nose.
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