Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Shulem]

Are you going to be posting final vote tallies on that? How many folks still need to vote?

About a dozen people actually bothered to chime in and vote. Shades hasn't even bothered to vote.

Oh well.

[_Jersey Girl]

This is basically what I posted to Lemmie in her “unwanted” PM. I want to make it clear that my words to her were not debasing or abusive in any way.

Did you try to manipulate her like you did me?

I think that Shades has done a great job in creating this forum and am a huge supporter in wanting to see the forum succeed.

Then you should do your level best to follow his rules and directives.

I have been a member here since Shades’ initial creation and even helped moderate the site for a while.

Exactly the reason why you should know what the spirit of the rules are.

I feel badly that things got so far out of hand on Lemmie’s thread. Again, I own my part. However, I alone did not destroy the integrity of that thread.

You created a derail in a thread that you openly stated that you were "against' because you essentially questioned the ethics of the thread itself. What you could have done and as a former moderator know that you could have done, was to create a topic for the express purpose of discussing board ethicality in relation to DCP. Had you done that, we likely would have wound up in the same situation that we did years ago, where Shades would restate for the board (unless his thinking has changed) that DCP is considered a public person (not, "somewhat" as you claimed) as he did back then.

I was goaded into responding even after I had made a determined effort to refrain from posting any further. It was a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation.

No one can force you to post. If you are being personally attacked, as a former moderator you should know what the appropriate response is. Why you failed to employ the appropriate response, is anyone's guess.

If I could go back in time, I would have never posted anything on the thread to begin with. I have had my feelings hurt, and apparently, a number of folks here blame me as the sole reason for Shades hiring a new moderator.

I think that more to the point, folks see you as sole initiator of the derail on a serious topic thread. I agree with that view.

I am sorry that folks feel that way. I can’t do anything to change the past.

I have committed, and will honor the commitment of not posting on any new or old thread that Lemmie initiated regarding the DCP plagiarism.

Super.

I don’t know that there is anything further I can commit to in order to make things better at this point.

I have a personal policy that you should be well familiar with. When I am at odds with a person on the board in discussion, I make it a rule never to approach them via private messages during a period of intense conflict. Maybe you could commit to that and stop trying to manipulate and censor folks behind the scenes.

[Guest]

This is basically what I posted to Lemmie in her “unwanted” PM. I want to make it clear that my words to her were not debasing or abusive in any way.

Did you try to manipulate her like you did me?

I think that Shades has done a great job in creating this forum and am a huge supporter in wanting to see the forum succeed.

Then you should do your level best to follow his rules and directives.

I have been a member here since Shades’ initial creation and even helped moderate the site for a while.

Exactly the reason why you should know what the spirit of the rules are.

I feel badly that things got so far out of hand on Lemmie’s thread. Again, I own my part. However, I alone did not destroy the integrity of that thread.

You created a derail in a thread that you openly stated that you were "against' because you essentially questioned the ethics of the thread itself. What you could have done and as a former moderator know that you could have done, was to create a topic for the express purpose of discussing board ethicality in relation to DCP. Had you done that, we likely would have wound up in the same situation that we did years ago, where Shades would restate for the board (unless his thinking has changed) that DCP is considered a public person (not, "somewhat" as you claimed) as he did back then.

I was goaded into responding even after I had made a determined effort to refrain from posting any further. It was a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation.

No one can force you to post. If you are being personally attacked, as a former moderator you should know what the appropriate response is. Why you failed to employ the appropriate response, is anyone's guess.

If I could go back in time, I would have never posted anything on the thread to begin with. I have had my feelings hurt, and apparently, a number of folks here blame me as the sole reason for Shades hiring a new moderator.

I think that more to the point, folks see you as sole initiator of the derail on a serious topic thread. I agree with that view.

I am sorry that folks feel that way. I can’t do anything to change the past.

I have committed, and will honor the commitment of not posting on any new or old thread that Lemmie initiated regarding the DCP plagiarism.

Super.

I don’t know that there is anything further I can commit to in order to make things better at this point.

I have a personal policy that you should be well familiar with. When I am at odds with a person on the board in discussion, I make it a rule never to approach them via private messages during a period of intense conflict. Maybe you could commit to that and stop trying to manipulate and censor folks behind the scenes.

I was NOT the sole initiator of a derail. You and Lemmie viewed it as a derail, mainly because I disagreed with the OP. Disagreement is NOT derailment. As a former Moderator yourself, YOU should know that.

I was not trying to manipulate anyone behind the scenes. I think that sometimes you can get disagreements resolved without making them public, which is what I was trying to do. Obviously, it didn't work. But again, I did not attack anyone via PM. I appreciate it that you feel differently about communicating via PM. We feel differently when it comes to that. I don't believe that there is a right or wrong either way.

ETA--I noticed that down-thread, you repeat things that you said prior. Simply because you repeat things doesn't make them so. My points still remain and I stand by them.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Are you going to be posting final vote tallies on that? How many folks still need to vote?

About a dozen people actually bothered to chime in and vote. Shades hasn't even bothered to vote.

Oh well.

Do you have a deadline as to when you would like to post a final tally and comment on the results? I would enjoy reading that.

[_RockSlider]

I have a personal policy that you should be well familiar with. When I am at odds with a person on the board in discussion, I make it a rule never to approach them via private messages during a period of intense conflict. Maybe you could commit to that and stop trying to manipulate and censor folks behind the scenes.

amen,

JP, please keep your correspondence with me public.

[Guest]

I have a personal policy that you should be well familiar with. When I am at odds with a person on the board in discussion, I make it a rule never to approach them via private messages during a period of intense conflict. Maybe you could commit to that and stop trying to manipulate and censor folks behind the scenes.

amen,

JP, please keep your correspondence with me public.

Fine with me.

ETA-I also acknowledge Lemmie’s request down thread. That is fine as well.

Rock made the comment down thread that I attempted to manipulate him behind the scenes. That is not the case. He personally attacked me. I reported his post and asked him if he would have Class enough to edit the offending post himself.

I’m adding these edits to prior posts of mine because I have no intention of driving this thread up to the top and drawing more undue attention to it.

I have stated my case. I appreciate Shades allowing my comments to stand. That was my ultimate goal. The topic can now continue uninterrupted by me.

[_Lemmie]

I have a personal policy that you should be well familiar with. When I am at odds with a person on the board in discussion, I make it a rule never to approach them via private messages during a period of intense conflict. Maybe you could commit to that and stop trying to manipulate and censor folks behind the scenes.

amen,

JP, please keep your correspondence with me public.

amen also, and JP, same request from me.

[_Jersey Girl]

I was NOT the sole initiator of a derail. You and Lemmie viewed it as a derail, mainly because I disagreed with the OP. Disagreement is NOT derailment. As a former Moderator yourself, YOU should know that.

I repeat.

You created a derail in a thread that you openly stated that you were "against' because you essentially questioned the ethics of the thread itself. What you could have done and as a former moderator know that you could have done, was to create a topic for the express purpose of discussing board ethicality in relation to DCP. Had you done that, we likely would have wound up in the same situation that we did years ago, where Shades would restate for the board (unless his thinking has changed) that DCP is considered a public person (not, "somewhat" as you claimed) as he did back then.

And this.

No one can force you to post. If you are being personally attacked, as a former moderator you should know what the appropriate response is. Why you failed to employ the appropriate response, is anyone's guess.

I was not trying to manipulate anyone behind the scenes. I think that sometimes you can get disagreements resolved without making them public, which is what I was trying to do. Obviously, it didn't work. But again, I did not attack anyone via PM. I appreciate it that you feel differently about communicating via PM. We feel differently when it comes to that. I don't believe that there is a right or wrong either way.

And this.

I have a personal policy that you should be well familiar with. When I am at odds with a person on the board in discussion, I make it a rule never to approach them via private messages during a period of intense conflict. Maybe you could commit to that and stop trying to manipulate and censor folks behind the scenes.

There was a manipulation element to your third message. When you tell another person behind the scenes or even in full public view that you think it's best if we stay away from each other, you are attempting to strike a contract wherein you seek to control the behavior of another and in terms of a board such as this, you are attempting to censor them.

If you want to stay away from me or another poster, then stay away. It's bad form to try to manipulate others into an agreement to do the same. That is why you have folks with whom you are in conflict telling you publicly to stay out of their private messages during instances of conflict. This has happened repeatedly over the years. I don't know how many years it takes for you to get the message.

So, if I have to spell it out. If I am openly in conflict with you on the board, do NOT jump into my private messages for any reason until whatever the conflict is has reached it's natural conclusion. I see it as weak and manipulative, not to mention a pain in my ass.

[_Jersey Girl]

I can't think of a single time when I've violated that personal policy JP. It's possible that I have, but I cannot recall it.

When you are in conflict with someone on the board and approach them behind the scenes, it smacks of you trying to get someone off your back on the board.

The wiser course, in my view, is to either engage the conflict openly where god and everyone can see it and see it through, reach an agreement ON the board, or drop the matter entirely. In the past, I've opted for the first and third.

Telling someone behind the scenes that you think it's best if we just stay away from each other, is again, attempting to strike a contract with another person. I suppose there are folks around here who thinks that's an okay thing to do. I am not one of them. The only two people on this board who are in a position to control my behavior on the board are myself and Shades.

Hopefully I do it myself before I cause him a problem. I make no claim to perfection in that regard.

[_Fence Sitter]

I give the over under on how many pages this thread goes at 6.