What is an anti-Mormon?

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Re: What is an anti-Mormon?

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Niadna wrote:To ME, a critic is anybody who has questions and will deal, with courtesy and a complete lack of ad hominems, with those who disagree with them. Being a critic is a good thing. There is nothing wrong with being a critic. We should all be critics.


We should not label people, but behavior. One reason is I can be a critic of Mormonism in one area and defend it in another.
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....when a country, or body of people have individuals among them with whom they do not wish to associate and a public expression is taken against their remaining among them and such individuals do not remove it is the principal of republicanism itself that give that community the right to expel them forcibly and no law will prevent it...


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with considerably LESS damage


Tell that to the people who lived in Gallatin, which the Mormons looted and burned, and the counties of Davies, Ray, Caldwell, etc. I'm not aware of the state of Missouri reimbursing any of them, nor the Mormons either for that matter.

There were losses on both sides.

And the Mormons had burned things before, they tried to burn down the Kirtland Temple and burned a printing office they had sold there.

No way are the Mormons or Missourians innocent victims, though I'm sure there were individuals who were on both sides.

It's always the Mormons had it so bad. Well, there was enough grief to go around on both sides as there usually is when people turn to violence.
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Re: What is an anti-Mormon?

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grindael wrote:
It's not a refusal. I HAVE read all the posts. I answered them, didn't I?

I don't know what you are referring to and it's not unreasonable for me to ask you to clarify/be specific.


You obviously haven't read them, because you are asking for something for which the answer is right there in black and white. This is simply another silly game by you for which I'm not going to participate. So, keep beating the same dead horse and asking the same silly questions and making the same inane observations and I will give you the same answer.

You already have the answer.


If I already knew the answer, I woudn't have asked for it. Telling me that you already told me doesn't help, because I honestly do not know what post, or what point, you are referring to.
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I don't know about you people, but that isn't a 'broad brush.


"You people"? :lol: And yes, yes it is, you just haven't been paying attention.
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Re: What is an anti-Mormon?

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grindael wrote:Would I be classed as an "anti-Mormon" and an "anti-Missourian" because I blamed both sides for what happened? :wink:


I don't know what anybody ELSE does. I call an anti an 'anti,' not because of WHAT is criticized, but HOW it is criticized.

As to the issue of blame, I have a real problem placing EQUAL blame on both sides of that particular issue.

I really do not like 'look what you made me do!" excuses.
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When Gov. Boggs ordered the Mormons to be exterminated or driven from the State, (A very questionable order to be sure) were the Missouri Militia "anti-Mormons" because some of them attempted to carry out his order? Some of them did threaten and did use violence.
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I have a real problem placing EQUAL blame on both sides of that particular issue.


Of course you do, you're a Mormon Apologist.
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And I'll bet you read none of the Missouri material I posted. :redface:
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So I suppose that all the Missourians that defended themselves from the Mormons who were burning down their houses, they are "anti-Mormons" too?
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