Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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Here it is:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44864739

The controversy centres on a response he gave to a question at a news conference on Monday following the summit with Mr Putin.

This is an extract from the transcript posted by the White House.

REPORTER: President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did. My first question for you, sir, is, who do you believe?

Trump: My people came to me... they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be.

.... what he says now

Mr Trump said he had reviewed the transcript and realised he needed to clarify.
"In a key sentence in my remarks, I said the word 'would' instead of 'wouldn't," he said.

"The sentence should have been: 'I don't see any reason why I wouldn't' or 'why it wouldn't be Russia'. Sort of a double negative."

The US president added: "I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. A lot of people out there."

Mr Trump said that the interference had had no impact on the election, in which he defeated Hillary Clinton.

However, he did not respond when reporters asked him if he would condemn Mr Putin.


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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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EAllusion wrote:
DNC would refuse to let the FBI investigate the crime scene?
This is a straight up lie.

then why wasn't Comey charged with "straight up lying" to Congress?
and why did all these people report that the DNC did refuse access to the "crime scene"?

http://thehill.com/policy/national-secu ... nc-servers
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics ... index.html
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01- ... ed-organiz
http://washingtonsblog.com/2017/01/dnc- ... ussia.html

even Canada disagrees with you...
Why did the DNC refuse to let the FBI look at its servers?
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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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Hi subgenius.


Chap wrote:Here it is:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44864739

The controversy centres on a response he gave to a question at a news conference on Monday following the summit with Mr Putin.

This is an extract from the transcript posted by the White House.

REPORTER: President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did. My first question for you, sir, is, who do you believe?

Trump: My people came to me... they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be.

.... what he says now

Mr Trump said he had reviewed the transcript and realised he needed to clarify.
"In a key sentence in my remarks, I said the word 'would' instead of 'wouldn't," he said.

"The sentence should have been: 'I don't see any reason why I wouldn't' or 'why it wouldn't be Russia'. Sort of a double negative."

The US president added: "I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. A lot of people out there."

Mr Trump said that the interference had had no impact on the election, in which he defeated Hillary Clinton.

However, he did not respond when reporters asked him if he would condemn Mr Putin.


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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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Chap wrote:Here it is:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44864739

The controversy centres on a response he gave to a question at a news conference on Monday following the summit with Mr Putin.

This is an extract from the transcript posted by the White House.

REPORTER: President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did. My first question for you, sir, is, who do you believe?

Trump: My people came to me... they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be.

.... what he says now

Mr Trump said he had reviewed the transcript and realised he needed to clarify.
"In a key sentence in my remarks, I said the word 'would' instead of 'wouldn't," he said.

"The sentence should have been: 'I don't see any reason why I wouldn't' or 'why it wouldn't be Russia'. Sort of a double negative."

The US president added: "I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. A lot of people out there."

Mr Trump said that the interference had had no impact on the election, in which he defeated Hillary Clinton.

However, he did not respond when reporters asked him if he would condemn Mr Putin.


Water Dog? Subgenius?

Did you have a question?

because i still don't read anything that resolves the DNC refusing access to the hacked servers, nor do i see any evidence that distinguihes this from any political action that someone like George Soros would undertake...ergo, Soros is not the same as the US Government.
But all that is a great distraction ain't it...let us just start from the beginning where you take, on faith, that the evidence provided solely by the DNC is what they say it is.

Or did you want to chase whatever shiny object Trump tweets out?
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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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subgenius wrote:did you want to chase whatever shiny object Trump tweets out?


The OP is about 'Trump Being Treasonous on Television'.

It seems to me that you need to address his latest flip-flopping statement about that, in which he completely reverses what he said in Helsinki.

What kind of president is this that thinks his supporters are stupid enough to swallow this crap? Oh wait ...


If you want to talk about the DNC, start another thread.
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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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Chap wrote:
subgenius wrote:did you want to chase whatever shiny object Trump tweets out?


The opening post is about 'Trump Being Treasonous on Television'.

It seems to me that you need to address his latest flip-flopping statement about that, in which he completely reverses what he said in Helsinki.

What kind of president is this that thinks his supporters are stupid enough to swallow this crap? Oh wait ...


If you want to talk about the DNC, start another thread.



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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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subgenius wrote:because i still don't read anything that resolves the DNC refusing access to the hacked servers,


You're still relaying this lie?

Typical.

A former FBI official told The Hill it's not unusual for the bureau to bypass a direct examination of a hacked server.

"In nine out of 10 cases, we don't need access, we don't ask for access, we don't get access. That's the normal [procedure],” Leo Taddeo, a former special agent in charge of the cyber division of the FBI’s New York office, told The Hill.

“It's extraordinarily rare for the FBI to get access to the victim's infrastructure because we could mess it up," he added. "We usually ask for the logs and images, and 99 out of a hundred times, that's sufficient.”


http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity ... ed-servers

So basically subgenius is speaking talking points instead of actually doing the research, which would be quite simple.
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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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Donald Trump's 'missing' server comments get all of the details wrong

You could take Trump's words to mean a DNC server has gone missing, but that's not true. And as for the "Pakistani gentleman," Trump is referring to a House IT staffer who did not work for the DNC and who government investigators concluded did not steal or leak computer data.

The DNC server

On July 13, the Justice Department charged 12 Russian intelligence officers with hacking the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Hillary Clinton campaign staffers.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment confirms previous findings from the U.S. intelligence community. In April 2016, Russian intelligence officials installed spying software on the computer network of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which works to elect members of the U.S. House of Representatives. The hack in turn allowed them access to 33 Democratic National Committee computers. The emails obtained through the hack were pushed out on social media beginning in June 2016, and Wikileaks soon joined that effort.

At some point, the FBI and DNC started working together to fight the hack and investigate how it happened, but DNC was slow to react to the FBI’s initial warning that their server had been compromised.

During former FBI director James Comey’s testimony to the House Intelligence Committee, Comey was asked whether the FBI had ever received the DNC’s hacked hardware.

He said they did not, but obtained access from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm.

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this, my folks tell me, was an appropriate substitute," Comey said.

DNC spokeswoman Adrienne Watson told PolitiFact that the DNC cooperated with the FBI’s requests, which resulted in the DNC providing a copy of their server.

"An image of a server is the best thing to use in an investigation so that your exploration of the server does not change the evidence (just like you don’t want investigators leaving their own DNA around a physical crime scene) and so that the bad actors cannot make changes to the evidence while you are looking at it," Watson said. "Any suggestion that they were denied access to what they wanted for their investigation is completely incorrect."

We found no indication that the FBI had renewed their request to gain access to the actual server, or that investigating the server copy would have prevented the FBI from tracking down the culprits. (The FBI declined to comment.)

Imran Awan

Trump said, "What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC?"

Trump was likely referring to Imran Awan who worked in information technology for dozens of Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives, including U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the former chair of the Democratic National Committee. Trump previously referred to Awan as the "Pakistani mystery man."

Trump is wrong, though, that Awan "worked on the DNC." The national committee is a separate group from the House members.

Awan’s lawyer Christopher Gowen, as well as the DNC spokeswoman, told PolitiFact that Awan never worked for the DNC. Awan, who emigrated from Pakistan as a youth, has been a U.S. citizen since 2004.

"The government that Donald Trump is the president of has had the server from the very, very beginning of the investigation," Gowen said, referring to the server maintained by Awan and accessed by House Democrats, and a server all together different than the one hacked into atthe DNC.

Gowen said the server was a portal that Democratic members could access when working remotely. He said it has been in possession of the FBI and the Capitol Police since the first allegations were made in the case and has nothing to do with the DNC.

Awan was arrested for bank fraud in July after he identified on a home loan application that a property was a primary residence when in fact it was a rental property.

Trump was parroting news reports led by the Daily Caller about Awan. Conservative media accounts suggested that Awan might have played a role in the election hacking of the DNC, although the U.S. intelligence community has concluded that the Russian government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations.

Ultimately, Awan was charged with a minor offense unrelated to his job. In a July 3 plea agreement, Awan agreed to plead guilty to making a false statement on a loan application.

The government engaged in a "thorough investigation" that included taking custody of the House Democratic server and found no evidence of wrongdoing related to his House IT job, the government stated in the plea agreement signed by U.S Attorney’s Office.

"The government has found no evidence that your client illegally removed House data from the House network or from House Members' offices, stole the House Democratic Caucus Server, stole or destroyed House information technology equipment, or improperly accessed or transferred government information, including classified or sensitive information," said the plea agreement signed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

Awan will be sentenced Aug. 21. Sentencing guidelines call for zero to six months in jail, but prosecutors agreed not to oppose a sentence of only probation.

Our ruling
Trump said, "The servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC" are "missing."

The DNC servers were never missing. The DNC provided the FBI with a copy of their server, rather than the original hardware, but Comey testified that the evidence was an appropriate substitute.

Awan, the "Pakistani gentleman" in the news, never worked for the DNC. Conservative news outlets suggested he had stolen a House Democratic server, but the U.S. Attorney’s Office found no evidence of such theft.

We rate this statement False.
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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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Hatch and Lee could step in to shut down Trump and be the two elders in the prophecy that save the Constitution when it is hanging by a thread. :wink:
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Re: Trump Being Treasonous on Television

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So now that Trump apparently trusts the intelligence that Russia hacked into our election, where does that leave subs in his conspiracy theory about the third party company that gave the FBI their server images? I guess he could probably call Alex Jones for company.
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