This may explain how Sherry Dew fits into the equation with Chief Nelson. The Nelson clan is known for their misunderstandings on some subjects.
Anyway IT'S CONFERENCE WEEKEND! One leader affectionately known as "the dodo" urges us to strap ourselves in .......
SO LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
But they're a baby issue. It's difficult for me to get too up in arms about them. Some grooming in an office during the middle of the day. Okay.
I'm glad the church made some concessions and it's good to see some bigger issues coming to the surface. Sam's work was one of many many many factors allowing this work to be forwarded, but a very small one. It would be a mistake, in my opinion, to give him much credit considering the many others who have been working -- in danger -- for years. I'm sorry he chose to publicly go without food for a little while, but I've heard stories of small children being starved in hiding while waiting in terror for the next "party" to happen.
All implanted memories? Some, yes.... but all of them?
Many people have done very hard work very quietly because they had to be quiet. I am not quickly impressed by loud.
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Rosebud wrote:Is "Satanic Ritual Abuse" itself a sensationalization?
If so, whom would this sensationalization most benefit, and why?
Absolutely. There was a whole Satanic Panic industry that mushroomed. Money and reputations were made. There are still people trying to resurrect it but the credibility of their analysis and approach is irreparably damaged. Too many false accusations and wrong imprisonments. "I believe the children" was asserted in the most absurd situations.
Child sexual abuse is and always has been a problem. Associating it with wild conspiracy claims does a disservice to law enforcement and credible therapists and the victims themselves.
Rosebud wrote:Is "Satanic Ritual Abuse" itself a sensationalization?
If so, whom would this sensationalization most benefit, and why?
Absolutely. There was a whole Satanic Panic industry that mushroomed. Money and reputations were made. There are still people trying to resurrect it but the credibility of their analysis and approach is irreparably damaged. Too many false accusations and wrong imprisonments. "I believe the children" was asserted in the most absurd situations.
Child sexual abuse is and always has been a problem. Associating it with wild conspiracy claims does a disservice to law enforcement and credible therapists and the victims themselves.
Yup. The sensationalization doesn't help the real victims.
I've witnessed incredible harm come to people who felt under pressure to recover memories for the "cause of children." And I've watched them claim false memories publicly.
Having read the complaint, I think the touching parties are more of a distraction than anything. The mother notified her Bishop of the abuse. The preparation was diagnosed as a pedophile. Yet no church discipline. Wife number two relies on the absence of discipline to reject wife one’s warning.
Obviously, the complaint is only part of the story, but if plaintiffs can get past the SOL, this could be pretty interesting.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Imagine for a second.... if this were true, what would it be like to be one of these victims? What level of fear? Isolation? Horror?
And then, 30 years ago, the media attacked the people who weren't minimizing the victims' reports.
Why?
Not if it's actually mass hysteria.
If it's actually mass hysteria, then the only victims are those harmed by the hysteria. Pretending that the harm is caused by sexual abuse rather than mass hysteria is helpful to no one.
The media didn't attack people who weren't minimizing victim's reports. The media attacked people who were implanting false memories or pushing children to recall things that actually didn't happen.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Rosebud wrote:Is every memory that is recalled real?
If not every memory that is recalled is real, are no memories that are recalled real?
You'd have to define what you mean by real. A better question might be: is every memory an accurate representation of the actual events?
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Rosebud wrote:Does accepting the fact that false memories do in fact exist (and they do) also mean that one should be so skeptical of all memories of childhood recalled during adulthood that one should publicly minimize victim reports?
Nope. If the claim is that the memories were repressed and so not recalled since the incident and were recalled only after hypnosis or leading suggestions, then yes.
Should victims' reports all be considered false, simply by association with a "false memory fiasco"?
It depends on what you mean by associated. How were they associated?
When people publicly minimize victims' reports, whom are they protecting?
The accused, whether innocent or guilty.
What harm is done to victims when media sensationalizations occur and false memories are advertised?
Media sensationalization likely harms everyone involved. I don't know what you mean by "advertised."
What harm is done to victims when the public minimizes their reports?
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“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
The petition to dismiss uses names and the discredited name of "Barbara Snow."
How has sensationalized media been used to discredit victims in the past?
Yes. Sensationalized media has been used to discredit almost every kind of person you could name.
To what extent is this a battle for public opinion?
Hard to say. You'd have to ask the plaintiffs in the lawsuit.
How has recent sensationalized media on the subject of child abuse possibly contributed to the creation of a public context in which the defendants would decide that naming names to discredit victims and those who have supported them is the best defense at present?
In this case, I'd guess there would be little, if any, context. Given the prior evidence about Snow's practices, any competent lawyer would cast doubt on a claim in which she was involved in treating victims or witnesses.
What are the benefits vs. harms of sensationalized media?
The owners of media make a buck or two. No benefit to anyone else.
Whom does sensationalized media really benefit?
The owners of media
Whom does sensationalized media most harm?
Everyone else.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951