Exiled wrote:I saw your prior post Doc to Morley. The convictions so far are for lying to the most holy FBI and for other crimes non-related to collusion with the Russians. If Mueller can make his case, more power to him and I will become a believer in anti-trumpism. However, at this point, I would like to see more prior to conversion.
How can any of us have any confidence in that when you have already demonstrated a penchant for dismissing out of hand, minimizing the importance of or denying the truth of the enormous amount of damning evidence already accumulated? My bet is that whatever evidence Mueller comes up with, however damning, will similarly be dismissed by you as either unimportant or just plain lies.
You claim that you agree that Trump is an idiot. Even if that is all that is wrong with him, isn't that, in itself, enough to justify removing him from office?
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
It's mostly about lying to the FBI and unrelated crimes.
How are convictions of Trump's known associates committing campaign finance violations, lying about talking to a Russian agent, and conducting unregistered lobbying for a foreign government (the Russian-backed Ukrainian regime) unrelated crimes?
Please elaborate.
I think we have someone here who is impervious to evidence. See his response to my re-posting of the clear and detailed evidence of Trump repeating Russian state propaganda talking points that most people in the US haven't even heard of, let alone the news channels that appear to be his main source of briefings nowadays. All we got was:
Exiled wrote: But Trump? Don't you think the Russians would select a better manchurian? Sure, it's possible, but, Trump is so hated by a lot of people and I think he was elected only because enough hated Hillary. It was the battle of the hated candidates and Trump lucked out via the electoral college.
How does that make any sense? He does not respond to the evidence, but just does a quick shuffle back to more familiar ground.
I tend to agree that Exiled has had all the attention he deserves on this issue.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:I think we have someone here who is impervious to evidence. See his response to my re-posting of the clear and detailed evidence of Trump repeating Russian state propaganda talking points that most people in the US haven't even heard of, let alone the news channels that appear to be his main source of briefings nowadays. All we got was:
Exiled wrote: But Trump? Don't you think the Russians would select a better manchurian? Sure, it's possible, but, Trump is so hated by a lot of people and I think he was elected only because enough hated Hillary. It was the battle of the hated candidates and Trump lucked out via the electoral college.
How does that make any sense? He does not respond to the evidence, but just does a quick shuffle back to more familiar ground.
I tend to agree that Exiled has had all the attention he deserves on this issue.
All of the above is equally true of subgenius, Bach and Ajax, and anyone else who still supports Trump. It is enormously perplexing. How does someone as pathologically dishonest, clearly misinformed on so many important issues, demonstrably corrupt and unabashedly self-serving as Trump inspire such blind, fanatical loyalty from so many? They behave exactly like flat earthers. They constantly demand more evidence, which, when provided, is immediately dismissed as more lies and additional evidence of the dishonesty of their opponents. You just can't win with them.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Exiled wrote:I saw your prior post Doc to Morley. The convictions so far are for lying to the most holy FBI and for other crimes non-related to collusion with the Russians. If Mueller can make his case, more power to him and I will become a believer in anti-trumpism. However, at this point, I would like to see more prior to conversion.
How can any of us have any confidence in that when you have already demonstrated a penchant for dismissing out of hand, minimizing the importance of or denying the truth of the enormous amount of damning evidence already accumulated? My bet is that whatever evidence Mueller comes up with, however damning, will similarly be dismissed by you as either unimportant or just plain lies.
You claim that you agree that Trump is an idiot. Even if that is all that is wrong with him, isn't that, in itself, enough to justify removing him from office?
Let's see what Mueller brings. At this point I'm not convinced yet that Trump is guilty of any high crimes or misdemeanors that would warrant impeachment. That could change, but let's see how the investigation goes. Obviously Mueller doesn't believe the investigation is done yet or he would wrap it up. Let's see what's in his report. Is that fair to hold off on a decision about Trump or should I decide right now?
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
Exiled wrote:...Is that fair to hold off on a decision about Trump or should I decide right now?
have you not been paying attention? you were supposed to decide that Trump was guilty (of anything) on 07 November 2016. Otherwise you are a racist, misogynist, bigot that lacks education and morality.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Exiled wrote:Let's see what Mueller brings. At this point I'm not convinced yet that Trump is guilty of any high crimes or misdemeanors that would warrant impeachment. That could change, but let's see how the investigation goes. Obviously Mueller doesn't believe the investigation is done yet or he would wrap it up. Let's see what's in his report. Is that fair to hold off on a decision about Trump or should I decide right now?
I don't think anyone is saying you need to decide right now, Exiled. What folks don't get is how you seem intent on aggressively minimizing and ignoring the evidence. The problem is that you appear to read a page of serious felony indictments and convictions against some of Trump's inner circle, then shrug and declare it's a "nothing burger" and you can't see how the president night be involved.
Exiled wrote:I think Trump is an idiot and I think Clinton lost because her negatives were really high. Also, it came out that she colluded with the DNC and the mainstream media to gain the nomination and that made enough Bernie supporters angry to change their vote or desire to participate. I find it hard to believe that Trump is a Russian target for control because he is such an idiot loudmouth that he cannot be controlled. So, it's hard to believe that he was or is a Russian stooge.
It is kind of like, on a lesser scale, what I tell those that believe 911, and the demolition of the towers was a Bush conspiracy. He/the goverment are not that smart.
In your scenario Trump would certainly be a liability with his inability to keep his foot out of his mouth.
Like I wrote here before the election, what is sad is the choices we had/have for our President. Given the state of our country in regards to dissecting ones credibility, and opening up our closets, I find it hard to believe anyone wants their life opened up to the world in such a negative way.
Mitt and Biden might be our next choice...which is looking like an improvement from both sides as compared to the last election.
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
Gunnar wrote:All of the above is equally true of subgenius, Bach and Ajax, and anyone else who still supports Trump. It is enormously perplexing. How does someone as pathologically dishonest, clearly misinformed on so many important issues, demonstrably corrupt and unabashedly self-serving as Trump inspire such blind, fanatical loyalty from so many? They behave exactly like flat earthers. They constantly demand more evidence, which, when provided, is immediately dismissed as more lies and additional evidence of the dishonesty of their opponents. You just can't win with them.
Some people have no idea how or why they think like they do when they decide they want to be enamored of someone.
Exiled wrote:Let's see what Mueller brings. At this point I'm not convinced yet that Trump is guilty of any high crimes or misdemeanors that would warrant impeachment. That could change, but let's see how the investigation goes. Obviously Mueller doesn't believe the investigation is done yet or he would wrap it up. Let's see what's in his report. Is that fair to hold off on a decision about Trump or should I decide right now?
I don't think anyone is saying you need to decide right now, Exiled. What folks don't get is how you seem intent on aggressively minimizing and ignoring the evidence. The problem is that you appear to read a page of serious felony indictments and convictions against some of Trump's inner circle, then shrug and declare it's a "nothing burger" and you can't see how the president night be involved.
He might be involved in something, yes. Some around him committed felonies, but unrelated to supposed russian collusion. Perhaps he violated campaign finance laws when he paid off his mistresses. I've wondered on this site why no one is looking into Trump's relationship with Epstein, the pedophile. There was a case of an alleged rape involving Trump and a then 13 year old girl that was suddenly dismissed by the now woman. But that Epstein business probably includes too many big names including the Clintons to look into. In any event, let's see what Mueller finds out as the investigation goes forward. Also, the Democrats are ready to launch a lot of investigations that may provide more.
I guess my problem with the Russia collusion story is that Russia's supposed involvement with the 2016 election was seemingly minimal. $4,700 was spent via google and $100,000 on Facebook, and half of the Facebook ads appeared after the election. Clinton lost for other reasons that have nothing to do with russia. Enough people didn't want another neocon in office that panders to Wall Street thereby giving the election to Trump. Also, Comey's last minute about face on the email investigation didn't do her any favors. Why did he do that so close to the election? Did he want her to lose?
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen