No Trump defenders left ...?

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Markk wrote:if I own a business that does not pay for it's self and turn a profit, and I keep borrowing on a line of credit that at some time will end...do we keep just keep borrowing?


OK, so you've stopped trying to compare the government of a sovereign state to a household. Now you think it may be like a business.

Sorry, but a household and a business resemble each other much more than either of them resembles a sovereign state. And the basic difference is that a sovereign state can issue debt in the form of treasury securities. A household can't do that, and nor can a business.

See the article - please. Sometimes you have to read hard stuff to understand important issues.

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February 7th: Michael Cohen will testify will testify in open session in front of the House Oversight Committee. This could be the most dramatic testimony since Watergate. Watching the Republican cross-examination will be fascinating. Trump Tower Moscow, Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, Ukrainian peace proposals, and I suspect 1 or 2 things we may not yet know about.

The testimony should fall somewhere in between John Dean and Joseph Valachi.
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MeDotOrg wrote:Watching the Republican cross-examination will be fascinating.

I see a drinking game opportunity in guessing how many times Republicans will ask Cohen about Hillary’s Russian connections.
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Chap wrote:
OK, so you've stopped trying to compare the government of a sovereign state to a household. Now you think it may be like a business.

Sorry, but a household and a business resemble each other much more than either of them resembles a sovereign state. And the basic difference is that a sovereign state can issue debt in the form of treasury securities. A household can't do that, and nor can a business.

See the article - please. Sometimes you have to read hard stuff to understand important issues.


Then according to your logic...we should just keep spending money we don't have...and borrow money from other countries and pay interest on our loans?

So when republicans blame democrats for the huge deficit, or when Democrat's blame republicans, they are just blowing smoke?

If debt is so good, why not just leave taxes lower, borrow more money, and get deeper in debt?
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Markk,

Had you read the “F” ing post you quoted you wouldn't have had posted those questions, because you'd actually have your answers you doorknob.

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Just a coda for today's events. On his way to Texas, Trump is asked if the buck stops with him when it comes to the shutdown. Without missing a beat, our Fearless Leader announced with iron-jawed determination: "The buck stops with everyone." A thrilling coda to the "I alone can fix America" declaration at the RNC convention.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Markk,

Had you read the ____ ing post you quoted you wouldn't have had posted those questions, because you'd actually have your answers you doorknob.

-Doc


A long term security is nothing more than a bond our children and grand children will have to payback with their taxed monies. I am sorry I don't see the logic in the argument at all. The issue is debt, and making the argument about whether it is the same as a home, business, or goverment is non sequitur... in regards to debt, it is very much the same...it is spending more money that you have.

And more to my point which is being ignored, is that when the goverment spends more and more on it' self, and not on the folks, with things like infrastructure it just increase our tax burdens.

I work with goverment waste most every day in public works construction, and goverment contracting, and this is just in my little corner of the world, I cannot imagine how it is across the board.

Do really not see an issue with a out of control goverment in regards to spending and a growing deficient, or do you just need to disagree to disagree?
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Monetization of the debt is much more likely the way interest on bonds will be paid back rather than taxes in the future. Not that this isn't without consequences, but it's important to careful about avoiding saying false things about what deficit spending means.
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Totally normal, innocent behavior here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
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EAllusion wrote:Totally normal, innocent behavior here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

Lest anyone accuse you of a 'link and run':

President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.

Trump did so after a meeting with Putin in 2017 in Hamburg that was also attended by then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. U.S. officials learned of Trump’s actions when a White House adviser and a senior State Department official sought information from the interpreter beyond a readout shared by Tillerson.

The constraints that Trump imposed are part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States’ main adversaries.


Yep. Totally normal, right?
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