subgenius wrote:So lets set aside your obvious eloquence and the fact that about 1/3 of the border is federal land and just have you answer a simple question... is it your understanding that Trump is proposing a continuous wall/fence for thr full "sea to shining sea" length of southern border?
Chap wrote:subgenius wrote:i don't know why anyone bothered to listen to actual border agents on any of these matters because "some cartel members".
Who are the 'actual border agents' who have testified that the southern border is the major route by which illegal drugs enter the US?
WASHINGTON — President Trump was mocked by some when he suggested during a recent conversation with reporters that people standing next to a border wall could be harmed by drug smugglers throwing heavy bags of illegal narcotics over the barrier.
“As horrible as it sounds,’’ the president said, “when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them — they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over.”
There have been no reports of anyone getting hit in the head by drug smugglers throwing large bags over a border wall. But as the federal government has increased the number of Border Patrol agents, drones, sensors, cameras and other technologies on the border with Mexico, drug cartels have been forced to become more creative.
Smugglers have used a variety of methods to get drugs across the border, according to interviews with agents from the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, congressional testimony and court records. About two million pounds of illegal drugs were seized by Customs and Border Protection last year, records showed.
The majority of illegal drugs enter the United States in an assortment of vehicles, with drugs hidden in secret compartments in door panels or the roof, gas tanks, tires and even engines.
Smugglers also dig cross-border tunnels, primarily to move large volumes of marijuana. While many tunnels are rudimentary, others have lighting, tracks and ventilation systems, even elevators. As of March 2016, a total of 224 tunnels were discovered on the Southwest border since 1990.
Cargo trains, tractor-trailers and passenger buses have been used to move illegal drugs. Trucks and trains carrying fresh produce such as watermelons, limes and other fruits and vegetables have been used to bring in narcotics. Drug shipments are often painted green and hidden within crates with fake watermelons or limes. Cocaine has been found in tomato crates.
In recent years, the Coast Guard and Customs and Border Protection have started to see small speedboats from Mexico used to smuggle drugs into the United States, particularly in California, in an effort to get around border walls and Border Patrol agents. From 2011 to 2016, border officials said there were 309 known attempts to smuggle drugs across the border using boats; officials said there was no way of knowing how many boats actually reach shore.
Drug trafficking organizations have also taken to the air. Border Patrol and other law enforcement agents have encountered smugglers using ultralight aircraft to conduct drug drops. Customs and Border Protection data showed that ultralight aircraft may have been used to transport drugs on 534 occasions from 2011 to 2016. Drones have also been used.
Less common methods for smuggling drugs include catapults and air compression guns.
In February, Border Patrol agents near Douglas, Ariz., found and dismantled a catapult that was used by smugglers in Mexico to fire two bundles of marijuana — weighing about 47 pounds in total — into the United States.
Since 2012, there were several instances in which Border Patrol agents found smugglers using air guns to launch drugs over border fencing. In one case agents seized more than 30 cans filled with marijuana that had been launched by air guns.
Although smugglers have gotten more creative as security has increased, they haven’t completely abandoned old-fashioned forms of transportation, like mules with backpacks.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Oh, wow. You're back. I guess you needed a couple of days to let the hot embarrassment of being insanely wrong on the farts you keep quaffing on this thread to pass.
Again. Where. Would. You. Put. The. Walls?
- Doc
subgenius wrote:Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Oh, wow. You're back. I guess you needed a couple of days to let the hot embarrassment of being insanely wrong on the farts you keep quaffing on this thread to pass.
Again. Where. Would. You. Put. The. Walls?
- Doc
that's cool, is there where we just answer questions with questions? Or did you have a coherent non-profanity laced answer to the question about extent and location of wall?
Because where i would put it is irrelevant, - do you know where Trump wants to build the wall that is under discussion?
Chap wrote:subgenius wrote:i don't know why anyone bothered to listen to actual border agents on any of these matters because "some cartel members".
Who are the 'actual border agents' who have testified that the southern border is the major route by which illegal drugs enter the US?
subgenius wrote:i don't know why anyone bothered to listen to actual border agents on any of these matters because "some cartel members".
Jersey Girl wrote:Chap wrote:Who are the 'actual border agents' who have testified that the southern border is the major route by which illegal drugs enter the US?
Here's a Trump supporting sheriff at the Texas border.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... nr-vpx.cnn
CNN's Gary Tuchman speaks with a sheriff who protects part of the southern border and says President Trump's border wall money should instead be spent on people and technology.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:So, once again we can see subgenius not really understand to any degree what he's arguing for or against. Much like Ajax's arguments for supremacism, subgenius seems to channel Trump when he's just winging an ad hoc argument without understanding, anything, about which he's engaged.
- Doc
is it that Pelosi wont make a deal because Trump's meam tweets offend people like KG while simultaneously improving KG's peace and prosperity? (ending wars, decreasing unemployment, lowering racial unemployment disparity, ending superfluous regulations, increasing domestic energy output, etc...)