Bernie Sanders Question

[_Markk]

I read this in one article...and if true and she got elected it would be interesting to see how the media spins it.

“I’m personally concerned about her support for Russian military action in Syria while excusing Assad’s murderous regime,” Tanden wrote. “But she has positions on other issues that are admirable, like campaign finance reform.”

Gunnar, you don't have a problem with her support for the Russians, if true? She went to Syria and supports Assad, at least from my brief reads, to at the least stay in power. Is there collusion here?

I have no idea if the next link is true, but I find it amazing how people justify who we support, and what and how we justify things in regards to our ideology.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles ... Check.aspx

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I have no idea if the next link is true, but I find it amazing how people justify who we support, and what and how we justify things in regards to our ideology.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles ... Check.aspx

“I have no idea if the next link is true” is an excellent way to admit that you are not interested in doing your due diligence as opposed to merely repeating a story. You might have kept that in mind before following up with the next part of your sentence.

Hawai’i Free Press is not without an agenda, so that might paint their commentary. Check into the links and let that help you to decide.

Per an article in the Honolulu Civil Beat about that paper’s editor:

The post on Ige is typical of many of Walden’s writings on local politics. They have just enough of a veneer of authority to make some readers take them to be credible, and they often do raise legitimate questions about issues like conflict of interest.

But the articles can also be misleading. The links Walden provides in the Ige story — to a “small-time jewel smuggler” and “Larry Mehau protectee” — raise old, largely unsubstantiated rumors about Mehau being a criminal “Godfather” and make Ariyoshi, a three-term governor, somehow guilty by association.

The link to the “Conflict of Interest” story, meanwhile, is to a 1988 article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin article that is much less of an indictment on Ige than Walden suggests. The actual headline for the story — “Sen. Ige now a GTE lobbyist: He says he will avoid a conflict of interest and not lobby his peers” — is far more benign the the accusatory headline Walden provides.

[_EAllusion]

Gabbard has supported Russisa's military action in Syria and has criticized people for criticizing it, though. One of the main through-lines of her political leadership is supporting anything that she perceives to hurt Muslims.

[_canpakes]

Gabbard has supported Russisa's military action in Syria and has criticized people for criticizing it, though. One of the main through-lines of her political leadership is supporting anything that she perceives to hurt Muslims.

I’m definitely interested in exploring claims such as this. But, I also wonder how important this will be - or should be- to Democratic voters in 2020, in light of any of her other policy positions or strengths.

I don’t see that she’d have an easy time making it through the primaries, because she doesn’t pass the litmus test on some progressive issues as easily as other potential candidates. But at this point she seems more electable than someone like Warren if the larger pool of voters is considered.

[_Markk]

“I have no idea if the next link is true” is an excellent way to admit that you are not interested in doing your due diligence as opposed to merely repeating a story. You might have kept that in mind before following up with the next part of your sentence.

Hawai’i Free Press is not without an agenda, so that might paint their commentary. Check into the links and let that help you to decide.

Per an article in the Honolulu Civil Beat about that paper’s editor:

The post on Ige is typical of many of Walden’s writings on local politics. They have just enough of a veneer of authority to make some readers take them to be credible, and they often do raise legitimate questions about issues like conflict of interest.

But the articles can also be misleading. The links Walden provides in the Ige story — to a “small-time jewel smuggler” and “Larry Mehau protectee” — raise old, largely unsubstantiated rumors about Mehau being a criminal “Godfather” and make Ariyoshi, a three-term governor, somehow guilty by association.

The link to the “Conflict of Interest” story, meanwhile, is to a 1988 article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin article that is much less of an indictment on Ige than Walden suggests. The actual headline for the story — “Sen. Ige now a GTE lobbyist: He says he will avoid a conflict of interest and not lobby his peers” — is far more benign the the accusatory headline Walden provides.

And you have done your "due diligence" and have it all figured out? LOL All you did is google the guys name, found a article about him, and cut and pasted some nonsense you rally know nothing about...without even giving a link? We can P-hack all day long and find a opinion to support your opinion or position.

Did you do your due diligence on the article you quoted, without a link...who is that author? Are you saying that the Honolulu Civil Beat and yourself don't have a agenda?

[_canpakes]

And you have done your "due diligence" and have it all figured out? LOL All you did is google the guys name, found a article about him, and cut and pasted some nonsense you rally know nothing about...without even giving a link? We can P-hack all day long and find a opinion to support your opinion or position.

Did you do your due diligence on the article you quoted, without a link...who is that author? Are you saying that the Honolulu Civil Beat and yourself don't have a agenda?

Markk, you’re the one who started off with the “I have no idea if the next link is true (but i’ll post it anyway)” bit. I just found it ironic given how you finished off that sentence. This is exactly the sort of stuff that has made social media such a mess over the past decade and why anyone with a plan and $100K would have no problem having an effect on an election when he knows that all that he has to do is plant a link to one article into the right feed, and it’ll be mindlessly repeated by a few million other folks down the line who are more concerned with agenda than facts.

And I can’t believe that I have to point out the obvious, but HCB is only making the same point - that being, to read carefully and check out the links. They’re recommending that the reader does their homework. But because that flies in the face of what you want to believe about the HFP article, you call HCB’s suggestion of due diligence “an agenda”.

You can look at the sidebar on the HFP and immediately gain an understanding of where they might be coming from. Here, you’ve done the same with your “shucks, I don’t know it it’s true, but let me repeat it here anyway” bit. It paints a bad picture.

[_Markk]

Markk, you’re the one who started off with the “I have no idea if the next link is true (but i’ll post it anyway)” bit. I just found it ironic given how you finished off that sentence. This is exactly the sort of stuff that has made social media such a mess over the past decade and why anyone with a plan and $100K would have no problem having an effect on an election when he knows that all that he has to do is plant a link to one article into the right feed, and it’ll be mindlessly repeated by a few million other folks down the line who are more concerned with agenda than facts.

And I can’t believe that I have to point out the obvious, but HCB is only making the same point - that being, to read carefully and check out the links. They’re recommending that the reader does their homework. But because that flies in the face of what you want to believe about the HFP article, you call HCB’s suggestion of due diligence “an agenda”.

You can look at the sidebar on the HFP and immediately gain an understanding of where they might be coming from. Here, you’ve done the same with your “shucks, I don’t know it it’s true, but let me repeat it here anyway” bit. It paints a bad picture.

Huh

[_DoubtingThomas]

But I agree the country desperately needs a female president. These days, I'm liking Kamala Harris, but I'd have to hear her stump, of course, before casting a ballot her way.

Our country desperately needs a Democratic candidate that isn't funded by wealthy donors.

[_subgenius]

Our country desperately needs a Democratic candidate that isn't funded by wealthy donors.

Then you will likely never hear of them or see their name on a ballot in any State.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Then you will likely never hear of them or see their name on a ballot in any State.

Sanders, Ojeda, and O'Rourke didn't need wealthy donors.