Mcabe admits plan to oust Trump

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Has he increased the ceiling for H-1B Visas, Ajax?

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

If you want to read other information your own link a little further, it goes into some detail about legal immigrants being disproportionately educated and well-off, which is why you have to be careful to make this distinction in the first place.

I stand with the President's view that we need an immigration system based on merit and what is best for the US, rather than immigration system based on the needs of people from other countries and what is best for them at the expense of American citizens. This demonstrates the fact that DJT is far from the racist white nationalist he is portrayed to be by the left. He wants immigration when it's in the best interest of the USA and its citizens. People who think that's racist or xenophobic and want to stop this at any costs are little more than traitors who we really shouldn't have to share a country with.

DJT specifically targeted what he described as "shithole countries" as places he doesn't want immigration from even though their immigrants to the United States are disproportionately educated compared to both Americans and the general immigrant population. This is because he's a racist who assumed people from African nations are bad.

Humorously, he contrasted those undesirable immigrants from places he wants immigrants from such as Norway. But Norwegian immigrants historically have been quite poor and uneducated. That's because Norwegians doing Ok for themselves generally like to live in Norway or, failing at that, Europe. (Hint: It's because he thinks they're white.)

People on "the left" like Paul Ryan have described Trump as a racist because he's got an endless trail of racist comments he's made and racist actions he's taken. He owes his second political life to being the most famous promoter of a racist conspiracy theory.

[_Maksutov]

DJT specifically targeted what he described as "____ countries" as places he doesn't want immigration from even though their immigrants to the United States are disproportionately educated compared to both Americans and the general immigrant population. This is because he's a racist who assumed people from African nations are bad.

Humorously, he contrasted those undesirable immigrants from places he wants immigrants from such as Norway. But Norwegian immigrants historically have been quite poor and uneducated. That's because Norwegians doing Ok for themselves generally like to live in Norway or, failing at that, Europe. (Hint: It's because he thinks they're white.)

People on "the left" like Paul Ryan have described Trump as a racist because he's got an endless trail of racist comments he's made and racist actions he's taken. He owes his second political life to being the most famous promoter of a racist conspiracy theory.

I bet this guy is a Trump fan. And you know how Trump likes people who like him...

[_Kevin Graham]

I stand with the President's view that we need an immigration system based on merit and what is best for the US, rather than immigration system based on the needs of people from other countries and what is best for them at the expense of American citizens. This demonstrates the fact that DJT is far from the racist white nationalist he is portrayed to be by the left. He wants immigration when it's in the best interest of the USA and its citizens. People who think that's racist or xenophobic and want to stop this at any costs are little more than traitors who we really shouldn't have to share a country with.

Trump makes it difficult for legal immigration as well, so your idea immediately falls on its face.

He has said he wants people from places like Norway, and incessantly complains about those coming, even legally, from "crap hole" countries. People like you are the real traitors because you defend a tyrant and a racist whose campaign colluded with a hostile foreign government to subvert our democracy. Now you're making dumb excuses for him because you're just a shill who doesn't have a moral compass. All that drives you is unbridled hatred of brown people who work harder than you and your posse of confederate flag waving idiots. That you actually believe Trump wants people to come based on "merit" is beyond stupid. There is nothing anyone can do to merit their way here legally beyond coming from a place that's higher up on the economic ladder and Trump wants white people coming here.

[_ajax18]

There is nothing anyone can do to merit their way here legally beyond coming from a place that's higher up on the economic ladder

They can exercise patience, work, and save their money. Then they can choose to help build their own country or become a much more attractive candidate for host countries looking for immigrants.

Continuing to reproduce irresponsibly and dump the impoverished and undesirables in the US has to stop.

[_Res Ipsa]

Hey,

In the end, do you believe that they pay more than they receive? There is just no way in my view.

Me? No idea. You knowing has led you to set up a biased test which, surprise, confirms your biases.

You just happened to choose an example that looks at the immigrants at the time when they are most likely to have low income and use services. You didn't try to even look at the average illegal alien. You failed to look at both the contributions and benefits over time. You simply assumed that the wives never work. You ignore all the indirect effects. That's one helluva cherry pick.

Your link just adds more that they get for free...?

You didn't actually read it, did you? It lists three things that maybe, depending on state laws, might be available. It also lists all the major welfare oriented programs that they are not eligible for.

I am very close to this issue living where I do and managing scores of illegal workers daily...and believe me when I tell you they know how to milk the system. They know if they claim 7 vs 1 or 2 they have less taken out of their checks. They know if their wives tell the gov there husband left them, they get child benfits like WICA and free food programs. and they know what to say in a emergency room to get free care.

You'll have to explain about the w-2 allowances. Are you saying they take maximum allowances and then don't file in April? Wouldn't that be the easiest kind of tax fraud to catch and prosecute? Employer reports employees wages and withholdings to IRS. Computer says employee failed to file. Employee sent back to home country. If they wanted to stay here, why would they risk that? And if they did file, then the allowances they took means they would just owe more tax.

But you're just doing the same thing you did with the homeless issue: extrapolating your subjective experience with a few people too millions and millions of people. That's not reliable.

Schools cost money, I am not sure how a marginal vs average costs make their contribution to the system higher than what they receive? I am open to you showing me how that would work?

Analyzing that would be more of a pain in the ass than it's worth. Basically, you may have some relatively fixed costs that would not go up by adding the children of illegal aliens. So I'll withdraw that criticism.

15 dollars an hour works out to 31k a year...how much does a person with 2 children making 31K a year contribute to the system? Remember they don't receive benefits, but again they know that so they claim the max the can get away with less coming out of their check.

By counting the total contributions, as I described above. Take into account the contributions over a lifetime. Make sure you get all over them. Do illegal aliens in CA buy lottery tickets. Generally, a lottery acts like a regressive tax because poor people play more than rich people. Since the schools are partly funded by the lottery, you'd have to include that portion, too. Credit the IA for a percentage of the property tax. Then you'd have to account for indirect effects. The illegal alien buys groceries. The grocer pays income tax on that money. He also pays employees with that money, who also pay taxes.

SS tax is hardly anything....6.2% of 31k is what...2kish?

No single amount is going to be worth a lot. But you do have to make sure that you get them all.

I did a quick worksheet at 31K (15 dollars and hour), 5 dependents, single head of household and the tax is zero, but they have to pay a grand or so as a penalty for no insurance...

Check my math out, maybe I missed something... https://www.esmarttax.com/taxestimator/ ... imator.asp

I guess we can add sales tax of 10% on 31K if they spend it all legally and on taxable items, so we are at say what 5k or so?

What am I missing?

You're missing a proper calculation of both benefits and contributions. You're also missing what should have been the first step: is your metric a reasonable one? For example, did you pay your family's per capita share of federal spending in 2017?

[_Kevin Graham]

They can exercise patience, work, and save their money. Then they can choose to help build their own country or become a much more attractive candidate for host countries looking for immigrants.

Continuing to reproduce irresponsibly and dump the impoverished and undesirables in the US has to stop.

We've gone through this with you several times already but you insist on being eternally ignorant. They can't do any of those things. If there is a God, I hope there is also a judgment for people like you. You're an embarrassment to humanity and the country and the world would be much better off if it could just dump the undesirables like you.

[_ajax18]

. They can't do any of those things.

They can't exeercise patience? I disagree. But I also.believe that all human beings have the potential to become like God.

[_Kevin Graham]

They can't exeercise patience? I disagree. But I also.believe that all human beings have the potential to become like God.

You keep speaking in stupid, showing you have no freaking clue what you're talking about. Patience? People being hunted and murdered in Honduras are supposed to be patient and hope things somehow change during their lifetime? They're not deserving of a life of dignity with the right to seek happiness simply because they had the bad luck of being born somewhere south of the US border? If you were in their shoes you'd be doing the same exact thing.

I have far more experience, personal experience, with people trying to come to the US legally than you ever will. It is virtually impossible for poor people to come here legally unless they obtain asylum. Trump doesn't want them applying for asylum anymore which proves he is full of crap when he says he isn't against legal immigration.

[_ajax18]

People being hunted and murdered in Honduras are supposed to be patient and hope things somehow change during their lifetime?

Sometimes it takes generations for a nation to improve itself. It will take generations for my family to build enough wealth not to work for a living as you enjoy doing right now. That doesn't make it right for me to break into your bank account and steal your portfolio. It doesn't bother me that I will have to work until I die unlike you who got to retire very early. If it gives me the chance to pass a better life onto my children than I will have achieved my objective through work, patience, and perseverance.