Michael Cohen Drops Bombs on Trump

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canpakes wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:No they couldn't, 'cause men can't have abortions.

Waitaminute. He could have agreed, at the insistence of the boyfriend or husband of the woman that he slept with, to pay for an abortion of the potential Trumpkin. This would then ‘involve men’.

Oh, okay.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
EAllusion wrote:There’s an accusation floating out there that people sometimes forget that he’s paid for mistress abortions. Men could be involved in that.

No they couldn't, 'cause men can't have abortions.
Can men perform them or know about them? Or does that require having a vagina?
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Doctor Steuss wrote:I don’t understand what the Cohen testimony is supposed to accomplish. Pretty much everyone has known that Trump is a garbage human being since at least the 80’s; and, the one common thread in his life is that he tends to surround himself with other garbage human beings.

Having Cohen reaffirm that we have a willfully ignorant piece of ____ for a President doesn’t exactly accomplish anything. I think legislators are wasting time on this. President Trump is unlikely to lose any supporters, and is unlikely to gain any detractors. Conservatives will still despise him, Liberals will still clumsily demonize him, and Republicans will still adore him (with the occasional “I wish he wouldn’t ______, but…” to pretend some kind of morality or ideological consistency).


Here is the interesting thing I find about Trump whom I have repeatedly compared with the Nauvoo version of Joseph Smith.

Dr. Stuess is right in that the Cohen revelations are unlikely too change anyone's mind about what they think of this POS president we have. The question is "Why wouldn't it?" And the answer is that all this crap we know about Trump has percolated in over a span of a couple of years or more similar to the time frames in Nauvoo. If everything we know about Trump were to have hit all at once, not only would he not be president, he probably would be in jail. Same thing with Joseph Smith. If all the crap he pulled in Nauvoo and before were reveled at once to his followers, they would all have left or never joined and Smith out of the religion business or worse. But Trump, like Joseph Smith before him, has shown that his greatest ability is to do damage control and get his followers to focus on his rhetoric of a restoration of America and how he is the only one who can do it, in spite of his faults. Of course it is all smoke and mirrors and in the end when Trump leaves he will be a legend in his own mind and America will take decades to repair the damage being done now, while the morons who supported him will still be talking about what a great president he was.

Like I said before, you want to see what Joseph Smith and his rabid followers looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump and his fawning mobs today.

Michael Cohen is to Trump what J.C. Bennett was to Joseph Smith.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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EAllusion wrote:Can men perform them or know about them? Or does that require having a vagina?

And can he make his payment in rubles, and will he need to run it through Putin’s account?
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Elsewhere, during Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's questioning I wrote this:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is coming off as one of the most competent, well-prepared questioners here. That annoys me, but credit where credit is due.


Because that's a place that understands my politics, I got an immediate response pointing out to me she's actually very sharp and not someone who, as I've argued, looks better than she does because she has a social media account that's very effective at highlighting and dunking on bad criticism.

So I wrote,

I think her sharp in the sense a replacement middlebrow young progressive would be sharp. I also think the feverishly stupid right-wing media criticism makes her look better than she is.

Look at Fox News having wall to wall coverage attacking her for saying that people should not have children so they don’t contribute to global warming. In actuality she was saying young people are questioning if it is ethical to bring children into the world if they will have to live through ecological catastrophe.

Smarter criticism might point out that this concern might reflect the cloistered interests of her political circle and not reflect the attitudes of younger adults in general. Or they may point out that it wasn’t that long ago that a very large % of children didn’t live until the age of 5 and that life frequently could be brutal for those that did. Or that as soon as that faded, prospective parents had to worry about birthing children into a world on the precipice of nuclear holocaust. The dilemma of raising children in a potentially hostile future is not new. It’s ongoing.

Instead we get hurr durr and the messsge to her less self-reflective fans that she’s making slam dunk arguments that require insane dishonesty to rebut.

To be clear, my annoyance here is in how incompetent and poorly prepared the various Congressional questioners/grand-standers were. Because they're bad at this, it makes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez look good by comparison. I don't think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was doing anything special. She was doing what I'd expect as a baseline level of competence. It's a testimony. After you've clarified what is known, try to find out new information.

We have the most robust higher education system in the world, and our leaders in government are awful at their job. It's a problem.


Since I wrote that, I've noticed the Twitter personalities I read are pretty much unanimous in noting that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was one of the few effective questioners and commenting on why that be.

Adam Serwer noted:

"a lot of things Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez distinguishes herself by doing is just ... her really doing her job as opposed to just trying to look like she's doing her job, which is what a lot of legislators do"

That seems more or less right.

Julian Sanchez said:

"This is what blows my mind about the useless bloviating so many hearings devolve into: It doesn’t even accomplish its goal. You’ll get SO much more press extracting one new fact than you will rehashing talking points in your shouty voice."

and in response to the comment that: is a reason Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez can actually ask questions and get answers is that she doesn't need to raise her profile locally or nationally by giving a speech?

"And yet she’ll get 1,000 times the media attention from asking good questions than the tedious speechmakers on either side."

That seems exactly the case.
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I hate that this actually works:

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Classic.

"I did the same thing for ten years what you're doing now." - Cohen to Trump's waterboy, Congressman Jordan.

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EAllusion wrote:Elsewhere, during Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's questioning I wrote this:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is coming off as one of the most competent, well-prepared questioners here. That annoys me, but credit where credit is due.


Because that's a place that understands my politics, I got an immediate response pointing out to me she's actually very sharp and not someone who, as I've argued, looks better than she does because she has a social media account that's very effective at highlighting and dunking on bad criticism.

So I wrote,

I think her sharp in the sense a replacement middlebrow young progressive would be sharp. I also think the feverishly stupid right-wing media criticism makes her look better than she is.

Look at Fox News having wall to wall coverage attacking her for saying that people should not have children so they don’t contribute to global warming. In actuality she was saying young people are questioning if it is ethical to bring children into the world if they will have to live through ecological catastrophe.

Smarter criticism might point out that this concern might reflect the cloistered interests of her political circle and not reflect the attitudes of younger adults in general. Or they may point out that it wasn’t that long ago that a very large % of children didn’t live until the age of 5 and that life frequently could be brutal for those that did. Or that as soon as that faded, prospective parents had to worry about birthing children into a world on the precipice of nuclear holocaust. The dilemma of raising children in a potentially hostile future is not new. It’s ongoing.

Instead we get hurr durr and the messsge to her less self-reflective fans that she’s making slam dunk arguments that require insane dishonesty to rebut.

To be clear, my annoyance here is in how incompetent and poorly prepared the various Congressional questioners/grand-standers were. Because they're bad at this, it makes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez look good by comparison. I don't think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was doing anything special. She was doing what I'd expect as a baseline level of competence. It's a testimony. After you've clarified what is known, try to find out new information.

We have the most robust higher education system in the world, and our leaders in government are awful at their job. It's a problem.


Since I wrote that, I've noticed the Twitter personalities I read are pretty much unanimous in noting that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was one of the few effective questioners and commenting on why that be.

Adam Serwer noted:

"a lot of things Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez distinguishes herself by doing is just ... her really doing her job as opposed to just trying to look like she's doing her job, which is what a lot of legislators do"

That seems more or less right.

Julian Sanchez said:

"This is what blows my mind about the useless bloviating so many hearings devolve into: It doesn’t even accomplish its goal. You’ll get SO much more press extracting one new fact than you will rehashing talking points in your shouty voice."

and in response to the comment that: is a reason Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez can actually ask questions and get answers is that she doesn't need to raise her profile locally or nationally by giving a speech?

"And yet she’ll get 1,000 times the media attention from asking good questions than the tedious speechmakers on either side."

That seems exactly the case.



For those who missed Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's time. https://Twitter.com/cspan/status/1100877191313788932

And she is supposed to be the Left's equivalent to Sarah Palin?
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Re: Michael Cohen Drops Bombs on Trump

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In his testimony today, Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime attorney and fixer, confirmed that the president has committed at least 5 felonies. Those crimes are:

1) Conspiracy to defraud the United States. Cohen confirmed that Trump knew ahead of time about the release of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee.

2) Lying to the FBI and the Department of Justice. In his letter to Special Counsel Robert Mueller, Trump claimed that he did not know about the release of hacked emails. That was a lie, according to Cohen.

3) Encouraging perjury. Cohen testified that Trump encouraged him to lie to Congress.

4) Campaign finance violations. Trump ordered Cohen to pay off his mistress in order to keep information about their affair from going public -- a clear violation of campaign finance laws.

5) Tax fraud. Cohen testified that Trump devalued his assets in order pay less in state and local taxes.

Folks, Cohen's testimony is as close as we've had to a smoking gun. When will it be enough for Republicans to break with Trump? Your thoughts?
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