Morality, Trump, and the GOP's cognitive dissonance

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Conservatives don't care about anything except:

1) Liberals are murdering babies.

2) Degenerate behavior will weaken America's military and economic dominance in the world. God's wrath cannot be ignored.

3) Stop stealing our money through taxation for lazy people, socialist indoctrination (public education), and insane medical subsidies.

Everything else is just negotiation.

- Doc

[_canpakes]

God's wrath cannot be ignored.

Except when politically convenient.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

God's wrath cannot be ignored.

Except when politically convenient.

It's like, whatever, man. Liberals kill babies.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

The phrase "big tent" in politics refers to when Republicans emphasized that their party was a big tent that could accommodate people both with pro-choice and pro-life views because conservatives came in large numbers from both camps. Remember that? It wasn't that long ago. Good times.

[_Kevin Graham]

So what you're saying is that Trump's full or partial ownership in over 500 successful companies pales in comparison to the maybe 15 businesses that went bust...that 98% success rate just ain't cutting it for you guys - got it!

You're dumb enough to believe these companies are anything more than shell companies related to his inherited real estate empire? Many of them are worth $1000-$15,000 with no income.

Virtually everything Trump has tried to start on his own has failed miserably and he makes American workers pay for it.

While his dealings in hotels and golf courses around the world appear to be success — his companies are privately held, so details are scarce — forays into casinos, airlines, professional football and other industries have ended badly.

Yet his real estate business isn’t exactly the dominant force he suggests. Despite a national reputation as a New York property mogul, Trump doesn’t make it into top 10 lists of the city’s real estate players.

So yes, the ones that failed FAR OUTWEIGH the ones still in business, the ones related to his inheritance. The only reason his worshippers think he's a great businessman is the fact that he's rich. But left on his own, he's an abject failure at everything he's tried to do. He's a derelict of a husband, a father, a Christian, really the only reason he is relevant is because he was a reality TV star beforehand. And he's still acting.

[_EAllusion]

Trump has set the bar so low for personal conduct that I wonder what this does to people's expectations of Presidents going forward. Trump is such an awful person in so many ways that he wouldn't be believable as a fictional character. Basically anyone can be better than Trump. So what does this mean going forward? I don't know.

I know one of Trump's superpowers is that he is so scandal-ridden and prone to appalling behavior that the media can't or won't focus its attention on any one problem for too long. This plays into the public's short attention span and memory and allows him to avoid reckoning. It's possible that someone who is awful, but not as bad as Trump is paradoxically more vulnerable than him. I'm not sure though. I worry that thinking that takes the form of, "Hey, so-so and so is a lot better than Trump" is going to excuse a lot of bad behavior.

[_moksha]

You can tell something is very much amiss when conservative religionists fall all over themselves praising an amoral President, just because they agree with his policies and hatreds.

nope, its just laughable when posters such as yourself fall all over themselves promoting the illusion of morality only to rely upon it for political condemnation.

I suppose that with Trump it becomes necessary to start talking about the illusion of morality. This hard-bitten apologetic about morality being an illusion might have some defacto truth when applied to the conservative religionists, but their pastors would vigorously deny it during their sermons.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I see Rep. King is hoping for a civil war... a real one:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/politics ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics ... index.html

Here's the Facebook photo in question:

https://www.Facebook.com/KingforCongres ... 46/?type=3

What's the deal with people wanting to water the Tree of Liberty with blood? Crazy.

- Doc

[_Maksutov]

I see Rep. King is hoping for a civil war... a real one:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/politics ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics ... index.html

Here's the Facebook photo in question:

https://www.Facebook.com/KingforCongres ... 46/?type=3

What's the deal with people wanting to water the Tree of Liberty with blood? Crazy.

- Doc

Talk to our resident secessionists. They'll explain it to you.

Who benefits?

[_Kevin Graham]

Trump has set the bar so low for personal conduct that I wonder what this does to people's expectations of Presidents going forward. Trump is such an awful person in so many ways that he wouldn't be believable as a fictional character. Basically anyone can be better than Trump. So what does this mean going forward? I don't know.

It can't be good. Republicans will forever get laughed at the next time they complain about a Democrat's personal conduct, infidelity, dishonesty, etc.

I know one of Trump's superpowers is that he is so scandal-ridden and prone to appalling behavior that the media can't or won't focus its attention on any one problem for too long. This plays into the public's short attention span and memory and allows him to avoid reckoning.

This has been my concern for two years now. Sometimes I think he really COULD shoot someone in the street. The next day he does/says something crazy again on Twitter and it's all forgotten. That seems to be the method thus far.

It's possible that someone who is awful, but not as bad as Trump is paradoxically more vulnerable than him. I'm not sure though. I worry that thinking that takes the form of, "Hey, so-so and so is a lot better than Trump" is going to excuse a lot of bad behavior.

Yep. Times have changed. We're now going to start hearing, "This is a post-Trump era. Those things don't matter anymore."