Impeachment hearings

[_Some Schmo]

I'm approaching it right now in a process fashion.

It's remarkable the ways people distract themselves in service of their partisanship.

Absolutely remarkable.

[_mikwut]

Perfume,

I'm not distracting myself. I have posted several times the impeachment trial, like many trials in our country is not about the truth. So yah, I'm interested in the two sides presentations. What's the problem?

mikwut

[_aussieguy55]

Are all thee women lying
https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/don ... rs-148874/

[_mikwut]

Morley,

Because you were wrong on the facts, you seem to have changed tack to reproaching the process.

I'm not sure that is true. I'm trying to get an understanding on this. It was an issue with the House Manager's opening but they did not bring up the information you posted and E posted. I'm asking why?

I'm asking are Volker, Taylor, Morrison and Kent also in on the Ukrainian we know but let's not say we know? Everyone of them were specific that they heard no rumblings whatsoever from Ukrainian officials until after the politico article in late August? So what channel was the shakedown happening from if it wasn't the traditional channels of Volker et al.? Even Guiliany worked through that channel from their own testimony.

So it seems and supported by Volker et. al testimony that around July 25 of the phone call there were some rumblings on the aid hold up. Volker was lead on telling Ukrainian officials it is normal, aid gets delayed but not to worry. It seems to me that is the same knowledge of the aid being held up that the Times and Post are talking about respecting Zerkal. But, between that time frame of late July and the Politico Article on August 28 there doesn't seem to be any knowledge of a link between that delay and demands placed on Ukraine by Trump. Volker, Taylor, Morrison and Kent all are consistent that there wasn't a peep until after the poliico article. They certainly aren't lying about that.

Otherwise you are smarter than Schiff who would clearly know about Zerkal.

Therefore, to my original post on this topic, where is the shakedown? Just pointing out delays knowledge doesn't also show the shakedown itself.

mikwut

[_moksha]

Maybe the left should ask itself why it doesn't accept the answer to those questions? Whether docs or testimony the President asserted Article 2, not just privilege.

Being the nation's Executive Criminal must drive prosecutors crazy when withholding evidence of his guilt.

[Guest]

The almost certain acquittal of Trump by Republican Senators is made all the more aggravating by the fact that even without the now incontestable evidence of his abuse of power for his own personal gain both in Ukraine and otherwise, there is more than enough justification to remove him from office, like his open, frequent and brazen violation of the emoluments clause, soliciting aid from foreign countries to boost his election and reelection to office, human rights violations of refugees at the border, numerous, credible allegations of his assaults on women, his past record of shady business dealings, compelling evidence of bank fraud and tax fraud, the Trump University scam, etc. He is by a long shot the most pathologically dishonest and corrupt President this nation ha ever had. He demands absolute, unquestioning loyalty from his associates and advisors, yet is very quick to throw them under the bus when they contradict him or refuse to break the law on his behalf. He has continually deferred to dictators and adversaries of the USA like Putin against the findings and advice of our own intelligence services. He is endangering the entire world by his militant opposition to every attempt to addressing the clear, scientifically established dangers of human induced climate change, which is accepted as fact by virtually every major scientific institution and association on earth, even including, now, the American Society of Petroleum Geologists, which used to be the sole objector and outlier.

In short, he should never have been elected. He lacks the knowledge, integrity, and temperament to be a President. He loves no one but himself and those who are either deluded or intimidated enough by him to do whatever he wants.

[_aussieguy55]

Meanwhile evangelicals think he is the chosen one and his spiritual adviser says if your oppose Trump you oppose God. Good grief.

[_Icarus]

Meanwhile, we have audio tape proving Trump lied (surprise?) about why he first Ambassador Yovanovitch. It wasn't because she was "bad news" it was because the President has extremely thin skin and takes any negative gossip as gospel. Lev Parnas is heard on tape telling Trump that she is telling people he will be impeached and Trump, after asking what her name is, orders Parnas to "get rid of her...take her out...do it." This also flies in the face of Trump's other lies saying that he has no idea who Lev Parnas is. This is an audio recording of Trump specificially instructing Parnas to "take out" a US ambassador. The evidence is just constantly leaking with each passing week and the Senate Republicans won't allow any of it into evidence because they're not interested in the truth. They're only interested in treating politics like team sports and making sure their team gets a win at any cost.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

One of the not so obvious and often unsaid things about American trials. They aren't about the truth. I know, Atticus Finch and all that romantic stuff.

?!

Did you read To Kill a Mockingbird? The truth doesn't win in that story, Mikwut.

I just want to bump this exchange to remind everyone this is what the Right looks like, and the futility of trying to baby step them into reality is sobering and depressing. We've spent dozens of pages on this topic, and we’ve gotten some form of the above or, and I have to hand it to him because the repartee was so well thought out, when subgenius brilliantly mashed his keyboard with a resounding, “That’s bs!”

- Doc

[_Morley]

Morley,

Because you were wrong on the facts, you seem to have changed tack to reproaching the process.

I'm not sure that is true. I'm trying to get an understanding on this. It was an issue with the House Manager's opening but they did not bring up the information you posted and E posted. I'm asking why?

I'm asking are Volker, Taylor, Morrison and Kent also in on the Ukrainian we know but let's not say we know? Everyone of them were specific that they heard no rumblings whatsoever from Ukrainian officials until after the politico article in late August? So what channel was the shakedown happening from if it wasn't the traditional channels of Volker et al.? Even Guiliany worked through that channel from their own testimony.

So it seems and supported by Volker et. al testimony that around July 25 of the phone call there were some rumblings on the aid hold up. Volker was lead on telling Ukrainian officials it is normal, aid gets delayed but not to worry. It seems to me that is the same knowledge of the aid being held up that the Times and Post are talking about respecting Zerkal. But, between that time frame of late July and the Politico Article on August 28 there doesn't seem to be any knowledge of a link between that delay and demands placed on Ukraine by Trump. Volker, Taylor, Morrison and Kent all are consistent that there wasn't a peep until after the poliico article. They certainly aren't lying about that.

Otherwise you are smarter than Schiff who would clearly know about Zerkal.

Therefore, to my original post on this topic, where is the shakedown? Just pointing out delays knowledge doesn't also show the shakedown itself.

mikwut

The House is only part of the process. Perhaps the Senate needs to call witnesses, like they have in every other Senate impeachment trial in US history.