Impeachment hearings

[_moksha]

Once Republican supporters are able to fully embrace Trump they are ready to perform self-fellatio. If they move to German automotives, they can practice autofellatio.

[_Markk]

Neat post to write right after the system of checks and balances crashed and burned, but I wanted to highlight one thing here.

No all politicians are liars. And among those that are there are significant differences in the the degree, frequency, and intent of lying. The really bad liars, which unfortunately encompasses mainstream Republicanism, count on people eliding these differences and dismissing everyone as liars. When not being convincing, the goal is to obliterate trust, make people tune out, and dodge accountability on the logic that everyone is guilty.

EA, it worked perfectly well, it did not allow a partisan impeachment, just as it did with Clinton and Johnson. Iwould have worked equally well if Nixon did not resign, in that the votes were there for a bi-partisan impeachment.

I am curious, what politicians here, are not liars...all six were players in the impeachment? Shiff, Shummer, Pelosi, Trump, McConnell or Nunes.

What about Warren, Bernie, and Biden...do the lie? Did Bush, Clinton/s, Obama ever lie through their Presidency and or senate and cabinet office?

Help me out here...who would you consider to be lie free...Lieberman? Mayor Pete? Cruz, Graham, Pelosi...how about Romney?

And remember...there are different types of lies, lies of omission, and direct lies being paramount.

So name me the politician above, that is not guilty of being a regular liar in doing their job, which sadly could be argued it is a demand of the way Washington ticks.

"Intent of lying" ???? I have to ask you to expound on that a bit in the context of this conversation?

[_canpakes]

In other words, if the Bidens were so egregiously and openly criminal, why have they not been prosecuted? To which you reply by saying:

"Because <they were so egregiously and openly criminal>".

You are just not making any sense there. Don't you see that? The fact that they have not been prosecuted or investigated in the US is an argument that even Trump does not think that there is the kind of evidence against them that would make charges stick. To that extent, Trump and his officials evidently have a serious disagreement with you.

Do you think you know more than they do?

HUh..LOL...because a criminal in not investigated by their own, they are innocent?

So, here you are indicating a belief in a deep state conspiracy. Because that’s the only possibility, right? ; )

Now, why did the current supposed non-deep state of Trump appointees ignore this yuuuuuge Biden Coverup© for the last three years, leaving it for Trump himself to clumsily attempt to prod Ukraine into manufacturing a scandal for us, in return for aid?

[_Icarus]

Neat post to write right after the system of checks and balances crashed and burned, but I wanted to highlight one thing here.

Not all politicians are liars. And among those that are there are significant differences in the the degree, frequency, and intent of lying. The really bad liars, which unfortunately encompasses mainstream Republicanism, count on people eliding these differences and dismissing everyone as liars. When not being convincing, the goal is to obliterate trust, make people tune out, and dodge accountability on the logic that everyone is guilty.

Damn you write well. I'd love to follow you on Twitter if you're on it.

The first thing every cult does to be successful is to convince the followers that everyone else who is lying to them. The cult is the only place to find truth. This sums up Trump supporters. And here is a must watch clip of Trump supporters explaining who won the impeachment battle and why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cas2wXZ ... yPuK73EtJY

[_canpakes]

Joe Biden is without a doubt guilty of nepotism.

But is it Trump-level nepotism, or just a weak attempt to match it?

[_mikwut]

Canpakes,

But is it Trump-level nepotism, or just a weak attempt to match it?

And what difference would that make?

Is there any nepotism in Trump areas that are timing, no experience etc..

mikwut

[_Icarus]

The thing I can't get past is 1) how anyone can just wave a hand at the relevance of the Biden situation and 2) a belief that seems to come across as just black and white either the President is perfect, or the president needs to be impeached. We know the fact pattern with Hunter Biden, it has been verified. There was just no connection to Joe except a possible conflict of interest. We now know two further things. Joe Biden is without a doubt guilty of nepotism. With Hunter, his brothers, brother in law, and his son in law. And it always has the same impeccable timing, lucrative deal to family member with no relevant experience. Your just a ham sandwich you call Trumpers if you don't accept those facts. There as proved as any narrative about Trump. That isn't illegal I suppose it might just be unsavory. But anyone with half a brain can start to do the conflict math. Joe is sticking his head out for all these family members for years, watching them live in mansions and fast cars, fending off politically any accusations of his own possible involvement corruption wise. He might want a piece, that's human. And now, Rudy as crazy as he seems has turned over a document of wire transfers of millions and millions of dollars, BEYOND Hunter and Archer's salaries, from Burisma into Rosemont Seneca - Hunter and Archer's investment firm. What the hell is that for? That isn't normal board disbursements at all. It isn't a stretch to ask the question, are those kickbacks for Joe for all he has done? I don't know that. But that is NOT ridiculous.

As an independent I ask. I would feel a lot better if both sides just called balls and strikes. Why don't democrats just say impeach Trump AND what the f-c-k Joe! And why aren't the Republicans saying Jesus Trump AND what the f-c-k Joe!
When both sides start real integrity is where authenticity starts.

I've given you every opportunity to demonstrate relevance and you've failed every time. Please provide evidence for your claims above, for once. And by providing evidence, I don't mean coming at us with John Solomon and Rudy Giuliani's bogus, unsupported claims. Only a ham sandwich would take that as grounds to justify an investigation beyond what's already been investigated.

You dismiss the zinger question as if it doesn't matter, but the fact is we do know why he never investigated him. It is because Trump never even thought about it because it didn't serve his own interests until recently. Only when Joe became the Democrat front runner and was beating Trump in the polls did Trump begin to come up with this corrupt and illegal scheme to smear him.

And Joe had nothing to do with Hunter getting hired by Burisma. You're saying we "know" these things definitively, when really "we" don't. because some of us require evidence and not just the kind that miraculously shows up in these sidebar investigations by hired hacks and shady characters like Solomon and Giuliani.

You keep going on about Hunter's lack of experience but that's false. He was more experienced than half of the other members of the BOD. Were they all hired because of Joe Biden's influence too? If not, then you have to ask yourself why a company would be hiring inexperienced people whose only commonality is that they come from prominent families. The answer is simple. Burisma was engaging in what many companies do. It isn't at all uncommon what they did. I'm reminded recently of the College Football Playoff Committee choosing members like Condoleeza Rice. Did Rice play or coach football ever? Then we must wonder what Joe Biden did to get her that position. Investigate!

And your attempt to spin this as if people on the Left are afraid to see Biden investigated is false and lame. Personally, I'd like to see him on the stand because I'm confident he'd make all his Republican cross-examiners look like the idiots they really are. But at the same time it just goes to serve Trump's interest. Not because there is a chance in hell that Joe is guilty of anything nefarious or illegal, but because Trump gets to control the media narrative yet again. That's why I oppose calling them in.

[_Jersey Girl]

Why didn't Trump have the DOJ investigate the Bidens?

Because based on the clear evidence the Biden's /were/are dirty has heck in regards to the Ukraine and tax payer dollars...millions of dollars seem to have been funneled through the Bidens, with whom Biden was taking the lead on giving Billions of tax payer dollars to the Ukraine. Hunter flew on air force two and maybe even air force one, to do business in different countries, including the Ukraine. The timing of Joe Biden associates, and family, receiving monies from known corrupt corporations is absolutely telling, and stinks to high heaven and deserves a deep investigation.

They, the Biden's, were in cahoots and defending a known criminal who is now on the run from prosecution for corruption, and is hiding in another country . And I am more than willing to go over this evidence with you. In fact I have already pasted some with only "nuh uhh" dodges in response. You can show me how much homework you have done and understand what was going on in the Ukraine, my guess is, as most always you just follow the talking points, as you did with this question, and do not have a clue of what the counter argument, and evidence for support of it, and have not even studied both sides of the argument, but are just repeating a question you have not even looked into.

Why did Bernie, Warren, Klobuchar...all running against Trump...sit in as Jurors against Trump, talk smack about him in their campaigning, vote to convict him, all the while running against him as president? This is a important question in supporting my assertion and answer to Tish's original question.

In hindsight, given the political climate, in my opinion he should have put the DoJ on them. I also believe he should, if he hasn't already do so now. in my opinion he should just keep his mouth shut and keep getting things done, but I have given up on that long ago, it is just not in his DNA. But I also understand that due to the hatred that is thrown at him, it may be the only way to drain and cleanup the swamp...which is happening before our eyes...LOL...Romney is now circling the drain...Clinton's gone, Bush's gone, Pelosi starting to circle and implode, the left wing spokes holes in a state of panic.

But back to my answer, it is not required by law or precedence to only have the DoJ investigate, the president has the right, and I would argue duty, to order an investigation and call out corruption, even if the corrupt person is running for office against them, or in a different party.

Okay. So Why didn't Trump have the DOJ investigate the Bidens?

[_Markk]

So, here you are indicating a belief in a deep state conspiracy. Because that’s the only possibility, right? ; )

Now, why did the current supposed non-deep state of Trump appointees ignore this yuuuuuge Biden Coverup© for the last three years, leaving it for Trump himself to clumsily attempt to prod Ukraine into manufacturing a scandal for us, in return for aid?

HUH, LoL...if you are trying to make a point, make it...I answered Tish's question.

Trump was suspicious of Biden before Biden announced his candidacy if that is what you are driving at? Make your point if you have one. If you have proof that Trump was solely going after Biden because he was running for president, then good luck in that Rudy was sniffing around before he announced it, if that again is your point?

It is obvious that your ducking the evidence against Biden, and trying to somehow ignore the corruption of the Biden's...but we will see how this folds out.

But if you have a point, make it?

[_mikwut]

Icarus,

If it was learned (this is just a hypothetical) a political rival of a president was writing checks into his name from the treasury, and the president requested investigations into it because he saw one of the checks, no matter what avenue the president used to ask for those investigations, would that be relevant? I know it is just a fictional hypothetical, I am trying to understand why you think the Biden situation is not relevant. i guess we have to start somewhere?

mikwut