canpakes wrote: Yep. {the DoJ investigating the Ukraine and Biden}He needs to protect his boss. Gotta edit the facts carefully. ; )
So much for the mystery question...you just contradicted it. ;) ;) Ahhh LOL what a tool.
LOL So there wasn't enough evidence for him to do so, but he is doing it to anyway to protect his boss...precious CP
Yep. Not enough evidence to do anything about the Bidens, but enough regarding folks like Manafort to make his own boss look bad.
There’s no contradiction. You know that, and I know that you have to pretend otherwise because you’re stuck and unable to answer that one simple question:
Why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate?
Now Barr has to tread a careful path between having no good evidence of the Bidens having done anything wrong, and his boss’s need to pursue a bad conspiracy theory to save face with his Base ... while avoiding the possibility of exposing the corrupt behavior of his own team. ; )
The reason it was important to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden was because this would give enough legitimacy in mainstream US media to cover it as a major scandal to create a similar situation to Clinton “emails!” stories. Simply running ginned up pseudo-scandals through right wing media is sufficient to persuade people like Markk and create some disinformation in the public, but it doesn’t have the same potency as getting buy in from sources like CNN, NYT, etc.
Trump didn’t go through the DoJ to manufacture the scandal because there is some risk of tainting the propaganda value there and there could be some institutional resistance to overcome. A seemingly independent foreign announcement is much cleaner. Now that the latter was exposed, the former is the next best thing.
EAllusion wrote:The reason it was important to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden was because this would give enough legitimacy in mainstream US media to cover it as a major scandal to create a similar situation to Clinton “emails!” stories.
Exactly. It’s interesting, but predictable, that Markk never asks himself why the Ukrainians would have been asked to publicly announce this.
EAllusion wrote:The reason it was important to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden was because this would give enough legitimacy in mainstream US media to cover it as a major scandal to create a similar situation to Clinton “emails!” stories.
Exactly. It’s interesting, but predictable, that Markk never asks himself why the Ukrainians would have been asked to publicly announce this.
Announce the investigation in verbiage *directed by Trump’s people* to the United States in a planned interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria...
EAllusion wrote:The reason it was important to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden was because this would give enough legitimacy in mainstream US media to cover it as a major scandal to create a similar situation to Clinton “emails!” stories. Simply running ginned up pseudo-scandals through right wing media is sufficient to persuade people like Markk and create some disinformation in the public, but it doesn’t have the same potency as getting buy in from sources like CNN, New York Times, etc.
Trump didn’t go through the DoJ to manufacture the scandal because there is some risk of tainting the propaganda value there and there could be some institutional resistance to overcome. A seemingly independent foreign announcement is much cleaner. Now that the latter was exposed, the former is the next best thing.
What it boils down to, at least to me, is there enough evidence in regards to the Bidens, and the Ukraine (china and other places also showing a pattern) to warrant an investigation?
Can we both concede this, and then take it to the next level and discuss the evidences. Trump was investigated for his roll in this, and whether your agree it was fair or not, was investigated/impeached/acquitted...
Is this fair. You claim is is a scandal, I claim the Bidens are dirty and there is more than evidence for a investigation.
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
canpakes wrote: Exactly. It’s interesting, but predictable, that Markk never asks himself why the Ukrainians would have been asked to publicly announce this.
They never did, but if they did , it might be possibly that the Bidens were corrupt, and stole or diverted tax payer dollars for personal reasons, like kick backs...think.
Again, if you can somehow you just ignore and blow by the evidence that is piling up about Joe and his family, along with their associates good luck...but at the least show me how these may issues do not warrant an investigation.
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Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
Markk wrote:Is this fair. You claim is is a scandal, I claim the Bidens are dirty and there is more than evidence for a investigation.
So why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate?
Why was he asking a supposedly corrupt country to lead an investigation, instead?
Why was the aid then suddenly released after Trump’s conversation was made public?
Why request that Zelensky publicly deliver a Trump-scripted announcement?
LOL, because Joe Biden and his family appear super dirty dirty dirty, and as president he did not need to...and currently they are under an investigation by the DOJ.
Who was in charge of investigating the Ukraine under Obama?
Why aren't the Biden's worthy of an investigation in the Ukraine, China, and elsewhere?
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
canpakes wrote:Exactly. It’s interesting, but predictable, that Markk never asks himself why the Ukrainians would have been asked to publicly announce this.
They never did, but if they did , it might be possibly that the Bidens were corrupt, and stole or diverted tax payer dollars for personal reasons, like kick backs...think.
I see. You believe that prompting a foreign nation to publicly announce an investigation that hasn’t occurred, using Trump-scripted language, is what proves “the Bidens” to be corrupt.
You have a strange concept of how this process works. But it speaks to how easily the Trump Base can be manipulated based on hearsay and accusation alone.