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EAllusion wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/us/politics/russian-interference-trump-democrats.html

Seems bad.



Russia will/is playing us like fools, knowing you and others will salivate over this with your needy ears, and weak minds. Schiff will leak propaganda like this all day, and you will buy it, and Putin will sit at his chair with his legs on his desk, arms folded, while smoking a cigar, knowing it will cause havoc here.

They are laughing their rears off...he can fire the KBG, FSB, or whatever they call it now days, and just disrupt our country with one email to the right source that will leak it to the Trump hating media.

Do you really think that Putin/Russia wants a conservative President that is building up our military, or Bernie Sanders a known socialist/ hybrid communist with real past Russian ties? Wake up EA.
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EAllusion wrote:Seems like it should be a big deal when a recent director of the CIA asserts this?

https://Twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/ ... 3254333440

It's very odd to have coverage of the Democratic primary follow a familiar election coverage process while there's an endless string of warning signs that democracy is under serious threat of being dismantled in the meantime.


Boy, if you want to know why Americans are probably going to fall to the Foundation of Geopolitics, all you have to do is read the comments section. Ugh.

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Markk wrote:
canpakes wrote:And all because Markk can’t wrap his head around the concept that there’s a right way and a wrong way to go about things, and Trump chose the latter. The impeachment was about Trump’s actions and no-one else’s.

This tweaks Markk’s brain. : D



The Impeachment was about folks on the left, not accepting his presidency, period.


Nope. It was about Trump’s actions.

Why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate the situation? He didn’t, and he was caught doing something stupid, and the Democrats initiated the impeachment because of that.

And to think that all that Trump needed to do was the sensible, mature thing. The thing that you, Markk, would claim would be the standard of how you’d want the US Government to operate, under a Democratic President, anyway. But Trump couldn’t control himself.

Why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate?


Markk wrote:They have no plan, no real candidates that can excite other than a hybrid communist, that they don't even want...and to my point they have no answer for Trump other than to go after him. That is their plan. Did you watch any of the debate? The left at this point is hapless and looks like a SNL skit, all Michaels has to do is play Amy asking Pete " do you think I am dumb" and call it a wrap. They should focus on getting that straightened out, instead of going after Trump...but, the way they will "straighten it out" in the next debate will be to go after Trump, because the have no plan or candidate that can both excite and not be a progressive socialist, that they ( the status quo swamp) can get behind. Trump did nothing unlawful, he did the same thing that Obama did with Biden, in regards to having a non DOJ "person" investigate something, and as many presidents have done before. Your question was circular and shallow, and not thought out, because you just parroted Tish, who was mot likely taking it another direction. You refuse to acknowledge the facts...and you refuse to expound and articulate on anything you wrote. You ducked most every question I asked you. Now you seem to have never read the articles of impeachment , especially article 1(A) where Biden is a key figure in the accusation, and also not read the whistle blower complaint that reads the Biden's were central figures. Are you really going to parrot that his involvement is not part of all this as Schmo whined about? What is telling about this thread is that many here are what I will now call "Burger King clones"...you just "want it your way", without any objectivity. I am not asking you to agree with my point of view, but at least expound on your point of view beyond the typical talking points, and concede there is a viable counter point of view. A President has every right to have folks other than the DoJ investigate corruption, again as Biden did for Obama (which you refuse to even slightly acknowledge and discuss). Joe was either investigating and acting on the corruption there, or he is guilty of most everything you are accusing Trump of...which is it Canpakes? (another question you won't answer if you have even read this far) Please acknowledge or expound on Biden's quid pro quo, which is on tape, it is not even debatable? He was acting as both judge and jury against the Ukrainian prosecutor, threatening a foreign goverment with holding back congress approved monies, unless they did what he told them to do. And he admitted that they bowed to his threat. That is by definition a quid pro quo. What he told them to do was fire a prosecutor that was involved in an investigation of a company that was without any doubts corrupt. That his son was an attorney for. If the reason was valid or not is not really a question, what the question is "does it raise enough concern for a investigation? " And as we know the answer is yes it does, and the DoJ is currently investigating it. When you are ready to defend or expound beyond the talking points you parrot, let me know.


This block of rambling text just tells me that you won’t read or acknowledge information already presented in this thread that handily refutes just about every partisan talking point you keep parroting from one book you’ve read. Whatever. You just be you, and vote for the guy who hires, adores, protects and pardons actual, known corrupt players and convicts. That’s OK with you, because it’s OK with Trump.

And I’ll just keep posting the question that you won’t dare to answer ...

Why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate?

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The Impeachment was about folks on the left, not accepting his presidency, period.


This is by far the dumbest comment coming from the Trump camp and its tiresome seeing people like Markk repeat it as if they're presenting something original. If what they say is true then why didn't the Democrats initiate impeachment proceedings during his first month in office when he was violating the Constitution Left and Right?

They didn't. Even after the Mueller report found at least ten examples of obstruction of justice and recommended Congress deal with it, the Democrats balked. It wasn't until nearly three years into his Presidency that they finally did their job to impeach and it was only after the evidence against him was so overwhelming that he was blatantly and openly trying to undermine our Democratic elections.
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Icarus wrote:
The Impeachment was about folks on the left, not accepting his presidency, period.


This is by far the dumbest comment coming from the Trump camp and its tiresome seeing people like Markk repeat it as if they're presenting something original. If what they say is true then why didn't the Democrats initiate impeachment proceedings during his first month in office when he was violating the Constitution Left and Right?

They didn't. Even after the Mueller report found at least ten examples of obstruction of justice and recommended Congress deal with it, the Democrats balked. It wasn't until nearly three years into his Presidency that they finally did their job to impeach and it was only after the evidence against him was so overwhelming that he was blatantly and openly trying to undermine our Democratic elections.


Markk lives in a fictional alternative universe created by his media choices in which instead of every Trump scandal backed by a mountain of evidence being part of a coherent story regarding his corruption and character flaws, it is a desperate conspiracy against the President to undo an election. So when you notice that Democratic leadership avoided numerous valid reasons to impeach and only did so after the Ukraine scandal placed a ton of public pressure on them to do so, Markk sees Democrats inventing scandal one after another that didn't quite work.

I don't know how to describe how screwed up this is without wanting to resort to swear words, but the reality is our democracy is dying because of people like him's poor choices. It burns much more that the country is falling not to invasion, but because your fellow countrymen just aren't up to snuff as responsible citizens.
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Canpakes wrote...Why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate?


Because he did not need to? (rhetorical), as I wrote in the beginning of this circle, "why is there air in a basketball?" It is equally a stupid but obvious question with a equally obvious answer. There is air in a basketball so it can bounce, and Trump did not ask the DoJ, because he did not have to, he is President and it is his job to make sure we, our country, are not giving money away to a corrupt Ukraine, and he acted accordingly, legally, and has been acquitted for any wrong doing, as accused by his politically enemies.

He had Rudy looking into the corruption before Biden announced his run for President. He then asked the President (Z.) of the Ukraine, in a transcribed phone call, who FYI, was recently elected by the the Ukrainian people to root out the corruption (see Sondland testimony) that had taken place under the Biden and Obama watch. Trump then asked Z. to look into it on "our " behalf, and told President Z. that both Rudy and the DoJ would look into it more, as the whistle blower testified. And as you are most likely unaware of (or refuse to acknowledge), today, the DoJ and others are looking into the corruption that occurred under Obama's and Biden's watch, which President Trump took the lead on, per his legal right.

In other words he did his job, and has no legal or constitutional requirement to ask the DOJ to first look into goverment corruption, but he did anyway after setting the table. There are other likely reasons I did not discuss much, like inheriting a "Washington" that has more leaks than Swiss cheese has holes. He obviously trusted Rudy enough to start the ball rolling, who is obviously more than qualified as a prosecutor...that is not even debatable given his record.

I understand you don't like my answer. I understand you can't refute my answer with factual evidence, logic or reason. I understand you can't defend and expound on your answer to your own question...but maybe you will go for it sooner than later.

A President has every right to have folks other than the DoJ investigate corruption, again as Biden did for Obama (which you refuse to even slightly acknowledge and discuss). Joe was either investigating and acting on the corruption there, or he is guilty of most everything you are accusing Trump of...which is it Canpakes? (another question you won't answer if you have even read this far)

Please acknowledge or expound on Biden's quid pro quo, which is on tape, it is not even debatable? He was acting as both judge and jury against the Ukrainian prosecutor, threatening a foreign goverment with holding back congress approved monies, unless they did what he told them to do. And he admitted that they bowed to his threat. That is by definition a quid pro quo.

What he told them to do was fire a prosecutor that was involved in an investigation of a company that was without any doubts corrupt. That his son was an attorney for. If the reason was valid or not is not really a question, what the question is "does it raise enough concern for a investigation? " And as we know the answer is yes it does, and the DoJ is currently investigating it.

When you are ready to defend or expound beyond the talking points you parrot.
Canpakes...
He didn’t, and he was caught doing something stupid, and the Democrats initiated the impeachment because of that.


LOL, well you got me there on that one..."what was he caught doing" ...having a meeting that nobody came to because there never was one, holding back funds that were actually given, and not asking the DoJ, even though the DoJ is investigating?" LOL what a tool, classic imbecility. .

But, I have asked you a lot of questions you continue to duck...while I answered your question in depth, and will just add to it, cut and paste it, so maybe one time you might actually read it and expound on it? But remember your answer to the mystery questions is.."He didn’t, and he was caught doing something stupid, and the Democrats initiated the impeachment because of that."
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Why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate?
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LOL! - Geez, aren't you just a big bundle of impotent frustrations, incoherent projection and insecurities...LOL! You are somehow a less informed LDSfaps but, hey, at least you both share the inability to process information that runs contrary to the imaginary bubble you choose to live in so at least you can fall back on your testimony that Trump is the one true president and you can comfortably ignore the anti-trumplican libruls and their anti-trump agendas. LOL!!!
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wHY. DIdN't. Trump Ask. The. DoJ. tO. iNvEsTigaTe. tHe. BidENs?

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