canpakes wrote:Somewhere, Markk is furiously flipping pages in his book, desperately trying to locate anything that links Burisma to the Ukraine aid package.
LOL... do you think this is some kind of smoking gun question? You don't even understand what the impeachment was about. Have you even read the articles of impeachment ? Among items Trump was being accused of is wanting dirt on on Biden and corruption, which includes the Hunter, Archer, Kerry, Joe, and others and their Burisma connection.
The known "link" to Burisma, is THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, JOE BIDEN, WAS GIVING BILLIONS TO THE UKRAINE, WHILE HIS SON WHO WAS WORKING FOR THE THEN SECOND LARGEST NATURAL GAS COMPANY IN THE UKRAINE, WHICH WAS EARMARKED FOR AID ..!!!! lol are you really that ignorant of what the issue is?
Does this warrant enough for an investigation? What about Joe's Quid Pro Quo?
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
canpakes wrote:Somewhere, Markk is furiously flipping pages in his book, desperately trying to locate anything that links Burisma to the Ukraine aid package.
LOL... do you think this is some kind of smoking gun question? You don't even understand what the impeachment was about. Have you even read the articles of impeachment ? Among items Trump was being accused of is wanting dirt on on Biden and corruption, which includes the Hunter, Archer, Kerry, Joe, and others and their Burisma connection.
The known "link" to Burisma, is THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, JOE BIDEN, WAS GIVING BILLIONS TO THE UKRAINE, WHILE HIS SON WHO WAS WORKING FOR THE THEN SECOND LARGEST NATURAL GAS COMPANY IN THE UKRAINE, WHICH WAS EARMARKED FOR AID ..!!!! lol are you really that ignorant of what the issue is?
Does this warrant enough for an investigation? What about Joe's Quid Pro Quo?
Hey, Markk... you missed the part where you give the details on anything that links Burisma to the Ukraine aid package.
What are the details about what Burisma allegedly received from that aid package?
Start flipping furiously through those pages again. It must be in there somewhere, right? I mean, it can’t be that you just got suckered into buying a book by a partisan conspiracy theorist that didn’t provide the crucial details that support his whole crazy theory, right?
honorentheos wrote:Your question is based on a flawed understanding. Correcting that flaw is essential to being able to talk about what was going on.
Biden had a job description you keep trying to make into a judiciary responsibility when it was diplomatic. You have to understand why that matters to understand why it makes no sense to compare what he was doing with what is being asked regarding Trump and Rudy.
No it's not...you are forcing something into the context of my point, a straw-man. The DOJ is not the only department that investigates.
Biden, like Trump were responsible for fund being given to a known corrupt system. Investigation to make sure the monies are going to be spent correctly is part of this.
Have you read Joe's memoir? Have you seen his Quid Pro Quid? Joe had to investigate, ask question, and demand certain things before giving money out...the same thing that Trump is accused of doing.
Hopefully one day someone here will address my points...start with Joe's Quid Pro Quo...?
Gotta run
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
Markk wrote:Have you read Joe's memoir? Have you seen his Quid Pro Quid? Joe had to investigate, ask question, and demand certain things before giving money out...the same thing that Trump is accused of doing.
Hopefully one day someone here will address my points...start with Joe's Quid Pro Quo...?
Gotta run
Done already. It was in my timeline I started for you and done much better in the linked timeline I shared.
To be exact, the so-called quid pro quo was an act put forward in the interest of the United States. He told the Ukraine the PG needed to go for them to receive the loan guarantees because the US had an interest in Shokin being removed. He was being protested in the streets over corruption months before the December speech and subsequent demand made by Biden. Again, that demand being on behalf of the US who he was representing officially as the VP.
You can't do anything but speculate that Biden did it to benefit Hunters client despite a mountain of evidence showing Shokin was impeding investigations into Burisma not leading one.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Are you denying it was not a Quid Pro Quo? It is on video, and he was bragging about it. Why are you calling it "so called?" It can't be any clearer it was a choice Joe made on the spot. Our country is ran of quid pro quos in many ways, I just find it so interesting that it is okay when it suits you, but not okay when Trump is accused of it. Trump in the Phone call asked to do "US" a favor...not just himself, so your straw-man that it was for the USA interest falls in that so was Trump's.
It is nothing more than an attempt to divert from Joe's and Hunters connection to the Ukrainian corruption...how far did and does it go, we don't know, and that is why an investigation is needed.
We have solid evidence, that leads to speculation, begs questions, and just looks very bad, with the Bidens, Shokin, and many others, that is why an investigation was and is still needed, and why the DOJ, and the Senate is looking into it today.
Burisma, was and is still owned by very corrupt person, with very clear pro Russian connections, and Hunter was hired by him, and was paid a crazy about of money with no experience, while his father was VP, and in charge of billions of aid to the Ukraine. That is all fact.
Also, other such things with the Biden's, in China and else where, shows a clear pattern of not being above reproach. The media under Obama at the time saw this and wrote abut it, it was and is that clear.
In your time line you failed to be even close to objective, and you did not add things like; monies (112K) being sent to Hunter's, Heinz, and Archers LLC (Rosemont), by Burisma, the day before Archer met with Joe personally at the White House.
You did not mention that the Day before Devon Archer was hired by Burisma, and had already received the 112K, Joe had met with the Ukraine Government and finalized the deal that would give aid to the Ukraine Natural Gas Industry, and then about a month later Hunter was hired...again with Burisma being owned by the just released foreign minister that gave his own company, Burisma licenses to develop natural gas field, and was under investigation by the new Ukrainian goverment. Yet Hunter took the money, and the Job, while Joe was overseeing giving aid and rooting out corruption to the Ukraine.
That alone deserves a investigation, does it not?
Shokin was dirty...and probably playing both sides, who knows, there is evidence of that...and it too deserves a close investigation.
There is much more, but how does this alone not beg for an investigation?
We need to get into China also...maybe a new thread.
more later
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
If what Trump did was in the interest of the US, Congress and our allies would have known, the Ukraine would have known and the departments responsible for distributing the aid would have known.
That's just stupid, Markk. Trump was hiding the quid because it devalued the quo to have the announcement of an investigation into Joe Biden come from him to the Ukraine.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Markk wrote:Are you denying it was not a Quid Pro Quo? It is on video, and he was bragging about it. Why are you calling it "so called?" It can't be any clearer it was a choice Joe made on the spot. Our country is ran of quid pro quos in many ways, I just find it so interesting that it is okay when it suits you, but not okay when Trump is accused of it. Trump in the Phone call asked to do "US" a favor...not just himself, so your straw-man that it was for the USA interest falls in that so was Trump's.
It is nothing more than an attempt to divert from Joe's and Hunters connection to the Ukrainian corruption...how far did and does it go, we don't know, and that is why an investigation is needed.
We have solid evidence, that leads to speculation, begs questions, and just looks very bad, with the Bidens, Shokin, and many others, that is why an investigation was and is still needed, and why the DOJ, and the Senate is looking into it today.
Burisma, was and is still owned by very corrupt person, with very clear pro Russian connections, and Hunter was hired by him, and was paid a crazy about of money with no experience, while his father was VP, and in charge of billions of aid to the Ukraine. That is all fact.
Also, other such things with the Biden's, in China and else where, shows a clear pattern of not being above reproach. The media under Obama at the time saw this and wrote abut it, it was and is that clear.
In your time line you failed to be even close to objective, and you did not add things like; monies (112K) being sent to Hunter's, Heinz, and Archers LLC (Rosemont), by Burisma, the day before Archer met with Joe personally at the White House.
You did not mention that the Day before Devon Archer was hired by Burisma, and had already received the 112K, Joe had met with the Ukraine Government and finalized the deal that would give aid to the Ukraine Natural Gas Industry, and then about a month later Hunter was hired...again with Burisma being owned by the just released foreign minister that gave his own company, Burisma licenses to develop natural gas field, and was under investigation by the new Ukrainian goverment. Yet Hunter took the money, and the Job, while Joe was overseeing giving aid and rooting out corruption to the Ukraine.
That alone deserves a investigation, does it not?
Shokin was dirty...and probably playing both sides, who knows, there is evidence of that...and it too deserves a close investigation.
There is much more, but how does this alone not beg for an investigation?
We need to get into China also...maybe a new thread.
more later
Wow. Still not one detail about Burisma’s alleged profiteering from the Ukraine aid package. Nothing at all.
Nor any courage to address why Trump didn’t ask the DoJ to investigate.
Nor any ability to explain why paying board members is indicative of corruption.
Markk, you’re still dead in the water. This conspiracy of yours is a hot mess.
Markk wrote:That alone deserves a investigation, does it not?
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There is much more, but how does this alone not beg for an investigation?
Why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ, and given your other assertions, the State department to investigate?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: Why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ, and given your other assertions, the State department to investigate?
- Doc
not to interrupt you as you hit your stride with incessant asking of questions that have been answered...but that question was answered well up thread. Perhaps if you were to gather up all your presuppositions, predispositions, and hair-fire predictions you would find resolution on another dead horse....a fresher deader horse.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent