Climate Change

[Chap]

Read what I said. Insults like yours, baseless and bigoted, prevent consensus which is often needed for solutions to many things.

There’s a problem. There can’t be a consensus between two people when one of them offers nothing.

You’ve said virtually nothing in this entire thread about climate change and the science behind it other than to berate folks who post information or opinions about it.

… they just want to pick their kids up from school without your stupid crap and insults making that impossible.

I don’t think that anyone has demanded to make this impossible, and I know that you won’t challenge that conclusion.

Glad to see that someone is responding to certain posts on this thread.

Given what I have seen of him in the past, and what people quote here, I don't hope for much from Cultellus apart from rage and insults. For the moment, it does not look like I am missing much by leaving him on ignore.

But you think that there is a chance that Ceeboo might actually start saying something substantive about climate change, instead of merely talking about the way he seems to think that some unspecified people ought or ought not to talk about it? Unfortunately, he mainly seems to be interested in polishing his moral halo at the moment.

[ceeboo]

that's a good poem. Regular people are okay with letting their grandkids suffer. We need to patiently listen to them vent. And vent some more. And then vent, and vent, and vent.

That really seems to be the prevailing attitude of the conservatives nowadays regarding what is happening before their very eyes due to climate change and pollution.

Wow! What an awful thing for human beings to say about other human beings. Nasty!

This exchange, alone, completely captures this thread and clearly provides one example as it relates to the tremendous credibility shortages that surrounds this entire topic. It's also a great example as to why we have reached a point where some folks (me certainly included) just reject this filthy garbage and dismiss those who bring this filthy garbage to the table. Gad and Gunnar, your filthy garbage is rejected and you're both dismissed!

This OP wasn't about climate change - This thread isn't about climate change - These discussions aren't about climate change. Perhaps we can't stop pretending at this point?

This is all about an ideology - those who place this ideology above all else and are willing to do anything to make it seem logical in their own head. It is, without question, a religion of sorts. What could be responsible for people on a message board to post such awful and vile things about other people on said message board? The only answer that I can think of, that is reasonable, is that certain people who cement themselves to a specific ideology, must project these kinds of horrific and disgusting things about other people. They don't have a choice - They are all in! Why? Because in order to be able to justify and apply such unfair and wildly irresponsible labels upon other people, they are required to control and drive the narrative they are staging. Which is basically, I am a caring person who loves my grandkids and you are a wicked and evil person who doesn't give a crap about your grandkids. Again, not just awful and disgusting - but completely deserving of being rejected and dismissed, in my very strong opinion. Full Freaking Stop!

[ceeboo]

At the moment, you.

I think I have my daily fill of Chap engagement for the day. I'm willing to start fresh tomorrow, if you're interested. If not, that's fine too.

In other words, you know you can't come even close to refuting his arguments or credibility, so you'll just ignore him and imply that Chap is the irrational one.

Or worse yet, you seem to be implying that the very idea of supporting anything with hard scientific evidence is somehow irrational or irrelevant.

Gunnar,

I have to assume that you are reading this thread - So, given that assumption, I am going to reject these things that you have created in your head and dismiss you in this exchange too. You see, I can't reply to something that isn't there and I have no interest in replying to something that is only floating around your skull. You're dismissed.

[Chap]

Suggestion: Let's stop wasting time on this thread.

Since Ceeboo is evidently going to persist in refusing any substantive discussion, in accordance with his contention that, despite the thread title

This thread isn't about climate change

Well, I am about to create a thread that IS about climate change.

Naturally everybody will be welcome to participate in that thread, so long as they stick to the topic rather than wasting space abusing other posters for a variety of supposed moral flaws, while refusing to discuss the issue of climate change.

See you all there!

[ceeboo]

But you think that there is a chance that Ceeboo might actually start saying something substantive about climate change

Are you still pretending that this thread is about climate change?

Unfortunately, he mainly seems to be interested in polishing his moral halo at the moment.

While this is surely not as vile, disgusting and horrific as some of the other things that human beings have been cementing upon other human beings, it is, without doubt, an attempt to apply a negative label (fairly clever and masked as it is) with an intended purpose - This intended purpose is critically important (demanded) if you want to bee seen as justified to others while you freely and quite comfortably attach said labels. It's all in an effort to control and drive a narrative. It's like painting a portrait of a person - with your brush - with your paint - with your hands, all while the person that you are painting the portrait of isn't with you - they live 600 miles away - you have never even met them - you don't even know what they look like - But, you paint anyway!

Crazy!

[Chap]

Are you still pretending that this thread is about climate change?

Since you continue to maintain that it isn't, I've created another thread that is.

If you want o discuss climate change, see you there!

[ceeboo]

Suggestion: Let's stop wasting time on this thread.

Yes, I completely understand that you think this is all a waste of time (That is a huge part of the problem, in my opinion)

In my mind, this thread is littered with extraordinary value - It is full of critically important examples to think about - It has taken the mask off and has provided crystal clear views - Will we take advantage of this crystal clear view and actually look around? I don't know. Maybe? Maybe not?

[ceeboo]

This is the best thread in this Forum.

Yeah - it might be.

It's certainly one of the most illuminating and revealing threads I have ever read.

[Gadianton]

I am a caring person who loves my grandkids and you are a wicked and evil person who doesn't give a crap about your grandkids. Again, not just awful and disgusting - but completely deserving of being rejected and dismissed, in my very strong opinion. Full Freaking Stop!

Well, Ceeboo, surely you must do what you must do. The original observation was a standard point in economics that climate change isn't an easy thing to tackle because there is little personal incentive for anybody to do anything about it, as the major effects are a couple generations down the road. Cultellus took that as an opportunity to paint himself as a victim because he loves his grandkids.

I assume you reject global warming based on the kinds of materials you've shared with the forum in the past. If you reject global warming, and if you believe it's a religion for liberals and a scam perpetrated by governments and the elite in order to control the population, then clearly, rejecting climate policy is evidence that you love your grandkids because who would want their kids to live in a police state?

Cultellus took the rather unique position that he accepts global warming, but is unwilling to do anything about it because of people like me. If that's the case, then I do question the depth of his love for his grandkids, because who in their right mind would let their anger at a forum participant stand in the way of doing what's right for family? (closer to the truth is he probably loves his grandkids, doesn't buy global warming or at least the seriousness of it and or doubts policy will change anything)

Painting me as a person who paints others as a nasty people who don't give a crap about their grandkids and labeling me disgusting for it is a nasty thing to do. But continue on if you must, because if you know me very well at all, you know that I don't allow other forum participants to buy my allegiance with pats on the back or shame me into changing my mind about something. If you can bring evidence and reason to the table, I can overlook the insults. Although, I do find it interesting that your poem about accepting 'the regular guy' doesn't apply to lil' ole me?

[canpakes]

This OP wasn't about climate change - This thread isn't about climate change - These discussions aren't about climate change. Perhaps we can't stop pretending at this point?

Ceeboo, you have options. I’ve not politicized the issue in this thread and I’ve asked you directly to touch on any aspects of climate change science that you find compelling or worthy of discussion. So far, you’ve chosen to not respond.

I’ve done the same with Cultellus and Atlanticmike; the former mentioned at one point a hypothetical scenario about old diesel trucks that isn’t related to climate change, and some remarks about not being able to idle cars in a school zone. Atlanticmike responded by saying that he burns as much wood as he can, and how folks who don’t think like him are in a cult. : D

Otherwise, not a peep about any points within the issue.

Avoiding the discussion in lieu of simply leaving indignant posts is a strange route to take if you’re complaining that folks aren’t actually here to discuss climate change.