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[Gadianton]

Gotta whip up the good common folk with rage BS

"Populism" today isn't a word that anyone uses to describe themselves. It's nearly synonymous with a charismatic leader scamming his gullible base. But maybe being gullible is one of those regular-guy virtues?

[Marcus]

I have not followed this thread in detail, but this bit sounds truly strange.

The claim, I gather, is that Cultellus called another poster a Holocaust Denier, either in so many words or by claiming that they had effectively denied that about 6 million members of the various Jewish communities in Europe were murdered by German government order during World War II.

May I ask what (if anything) was actually said, and to whom? And was this just a random 'dead cat' distraction, or what?

It might be better to quote the full paragraph:

You would do well to understand what you think, and answer questions based on what you think, without making crap up about other people. I tried to make this point to you in a lot of different ways. I called you a holocaust denier, just because I made it up and because frankly, you had never said that you were not a holocaust denier. The point is, I was making crap up, just like you are making crap up. The difference is, I was being ridiculously absurd, LOL , while you are pretending to be scholarly and google research expert and you are totally serious when you lie about the things I say and think.

The totally-not-serious claim about a totally serious event has been used a few dozen times as of late by our good man Cultellus. It’s all just good fun.

Ah thank you for the explanation. Cultellus used it on me multiple times over the weekend & I couldn't for the life of me figure out what on earth they were attempting.

[Marcus]

Thanks for the explanations folks.

So when he needs to be satirical, he does it by referring to the murder of millions, 'cos I mean that's really the kind of thing to help a guy get a belly-laugh.




I think Cultellus can stay on ignore.

Yes, not funny. I had no idea he thought he was making a joke w that content. Weird.

[Cultellus]

Gotta whip up the good common folk with rage BS

"Populism" today isn't a word that anyone uses to describe themselves. It's nearly synonymous with a charismatic leader scamming his gullible base. But maybe being gullible is one of those regular-guy virtues?

Again. You are not using facts. Populism, and the study of populism, has evolved. Honor is focused on the Atlantic article, but the research on the topic is vast, interesting, and not as myopic as honor's source.

Hundreds of Black Lives Matter protests against police brutality and state violence have taken place in American cities since 2013. Several leading scholars of social movements have advanced the view that there was a populist bent to these protests (Harris, 2015; Ransby, 2015; Rickford, 2016; Taylor, 2016). These scholars see the disruptive protests of the Black Lives Matter movement as a sign that lower class African Americans are rising up to challenge both the unequal conditions in their neighborhoods and the stagnant policy models grounded in respectability politics that have been purveyed by establishment leaders since the 1990s.
Thus far, the evidence marshalled in support of this argument has been based on qualitative and impressionistic data. This paper provides the first empirical test of the populism thesis in the domain of public opinion research.

Drawing upon data from a 2017 survey of 815 African Americans in thirty-nine states and the District of Columbia, the paper presents evidence that both income and educational attainment are negatively correlated with participation in Black Lives Matter protests. In other words, African Americans with lower incomes and at lower levels of educational attainment are more likely to participate in protests sponsored by the Black Lives Matter movement than their counterparts at higher levels of socioeconomic status. These findings lend support to the view that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded upon a populist surge within African American communities.

The findings that those respondents who reported participating in Black Lives Matter movement protests had higher levels of black group consciousness and linked-fate are also important. These findings challenge the axiom that middle class African Americans are the vanguard of antiracist activism in the United States (Dawson, 1994; Hochschild, 1995). If these findings can be replicated in subsequent studies, then they have the potential to reorient long-established theories of the drivers of mobilization in African American social movements and politics.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

It’s a joke with roots in the Alt-Right take that the Holocaust numbers were inflated, the camps weren’t death factories rather than way points to move Jews to Madagascar (or whatever country they were slated to be shipped to), the crematoriums couldn’t handle the volume of bodies that were ‘supposedly’ burned, and that many of the stories told about the camps were lies (like Jews being masturbated to death, or rail cars were rolled down a track and then they’d hit a barrier tipping them up and spilling Jews into pits to be buried). There are a lot of claims like most of the Jews dying due to broken supply lines caused by Allied bombing or whatever. At least that’s what I’ve seen posted on /pol/ over and over and over again - and as a result they joke around about the “Holohoax” often.

- Doc

[Gadianton]

Again. You are not using facts. Populism, and the study of populism, has evolved.

I wrote:

"Populism" today isn't a word that anyone uses to describe themselves.

These findings lend support to the view that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded upon a populist surge within African American communities.

Does BLM refer to themselves as a populist movement?

[Cultellus]

Again. You are not using facts. Populism, and the study of populism, has evolved.

I wrote:

"Populism" today isn't a word that anyone uses to describe themselves.

These findings lend support to the view that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded upon a populist surge within African American communities.

Does BLM refer to themselves as a populist movement?

Reclaiming Populism

https://bostonreview.net/forum/reclaimi ... st-history

Of course, one reason to reclaim “populism” is precisely to redefine its meaning in the public sphere. Since the 1950s liberal scholars have waged a decades-long campaign to discredit populism as reactionary, unruly, and unrealistic. Their influence reverberates in media headlines that routinely blur left and right populisms in a panic over “Populist Rage.” Take 2016, when Sanders and Donald Trump costarred in headlines warning of a “Populist Earthquake,” a “Populist Disaster,” and the “Revenge of the Populists.” Such dismissals of populism have discursive power: they reinforce liberalism (and its neoliberal variants) as the end of democracy. They caution us to temper our hopes for democracy rooted in social equality and popular power and to settle for modest tinkering within establishment norms and institutions.

But there are historical reasons to reclaim populism as well. Radical democratic populism has been and remains one key strategy for organizing passionate identification and broad-based popular power to resist capitalism’s dominance across economic, cultural, ecological, and political life. And actors at the extreme margins have historically contested and helped shape broad-based populist movements as strategic sites for furthering their own liberation struggles. This was true of black populists in the nineteenth-century, black militants in the Popular Front, student activists in the Civil Rights Movement, and queer and people of color affinity groups in Occupy. Their legacy is carried on by Movement for Black Lives and anti-deportation activists who radicalized Sanders’s political revolution and Indigenous activists who are pushing decolonization to the center of the Green New Deal. Realizing populism’s emancipatory potential requires reimagining broad-based populism from its own margins, past and present.

[canpakes]

These findings lend support to the view that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded upon a populist surge within African American communities.

Does BLM refer to themselves as a populist movement?

From this legit source, below - see the last few paragraphs before the References:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Al ... ic-Opinion

[canpakes]

Reclaiming Populism

https://bostonreview.net/forum/reclaimi ... st-history

Reclaiming populism. Not, ‘Populism Reclaimed’. Still gotta get there.

Don’t forget this part that you left out from the article:

It is not enough to relieve all doubts about a political tradition tied to virulent racism and nativism, and that, even at its best, has been unable to shake its associations with white masculinity.

[honorentheos]

Honor is focused on the Atlantic article, but the research on the topic is vast, interesting, and not as myopic as honor's source.

Atlantic article? My take on populism came out of a publication by Cas Mudde and Cristobal Rovira Kaltwasser that has "Populism" as the title. It is short and when I became aware of it more as a relevant subject after the Trump election it held the distinction of being widely cited. I had a connection I could ask to get me a copy of the PDF. It seemed pretty current at the time, discussing Tea Party reaction to the ACA as well as Occupy Wall Street and the Arab Spring. I don't know if they have more current material that incorporates Trump and Brexit. Good question.

Regardless, their writing was grappling with the jello-nailing exercise of defining the term in a meaningful way that captured it's use while excluding what it isn't to give the concept of populism actual meaning.

Their definition of it as a thin centered ideology whose feature is the divide of good masses from corrupt elites maintained it's salient qualities and explains its presence in right- and left wing contexts. It maintains coherence when used to describe the appeals of South American socialists and the populist thread running through conservatism use of liberal elites as a foil.

So, let's see if it collapses will h your quote:

Hundreds of Black Lives Matter protests against police brutality and state violence have taken place in American cities since 2013. Several leading scholars of social movements have advanced the view that there was a populist bent to these protests (Harris, 2015; Ransby, 2015; Rickford, 2016; Taylor, 2016). These scholars see the disruptive protests of the Black Lives Matter movement as a sign that lower class African Americans are rising up to challenge both the unequal conditions in their neighborhoods and the stagnant policy models grounded in respectability politics that have been purveyed by establishment leaders since the 1990s.

Thus far, the evidence marshalled in support of this argument has been based on qualitative and impressionistic data. This paper provides the first empirical test of the populism thesis in the domain of public opinion research.

Drawing upon data from a 2017 survey of 815 African Americans in thirty-nine states and the District of Columbia, the paper presents evidence that both income and educational attainment are negatively correlated with participation in Black Lives Matter protests. In other words, African Americans with lower incomes and at lower levels of educational attainment are more likely to participate in protests sponsored by the Black Lives Matter movement than their counterparts at higher levels of socioeconomic status. These findings lend support to the view that the Black Lives Matter movement was founded upon a populist surge within African American communities.

The findings that those respondents who reported participating in Black Lives Matter movement protests had higher levels of black group consciousness and linked-fate are also important. These findings challenge the axiom that middle class African Americans are the vanguard of antiracist activism in the United States (Dawson, 1994; Hochschild, 1995). If these findings can be replicated in subsequent studies, then they have the potential to reorient long-established theories of the drivers of mobilization in African American social movements and politics.

So...what is the argument here? The dynamic between African Americans (the people) and establishment leaders/police (the elite) is.being described as populist because...?