Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[K Graham]

Yes indeed. And of course because someone who attacks you in the street may well be doing so with the loaded gun that they have the right to carry around with them, you definitely need to have a loaded gun yourself to defend yourself.

Yes look how well gun control laws have kept the guns out of the hands of Chicago gang bangers. Look how well strict gun control in Mexico has disarmed their narcotrafficking cartels.

Someone who isn't ignorant would understand that gun laws at the local level are worthless. The bulk of the guns used in Chicago crimes come from out of state. Why? Because Chicago's laws make it more difficult to buy them. Now if the entire country had the same laws, we'd likely see major results as we see in other countries like Australia.

[ajax18]

Who do you think sells the weapons to the cartels,

The Obama administration during the Fast and Furious operation? Sorry, let me try thinking like a liberal.... Ahhh yes of course, rural white farmboys from Indiana, that's who's supplying the Chicago gangs with weapons.

Do you realize that under Ibram X. Kenadi's antiracist law that any law that has a disparate impact upon people of color must be struck down because it is systemically racist. Maybe that's why Chicago can't enforce it's firearm possession prohibition laws very well. Any such law would be struck down very quickly in the liberal court system. But liberal judicial activists usually don't go through repealing a law they disagree with democratically. They just refuse to enforce it. Criminals in Chicago will always have plenty of guns.

and who do you think buys their drugs?

Conservative suburban Republican voters? Latter Day Saint Youth based on what they're taught at home and in Church by their racist parents and Aaronic priesthood leaders? What answer are you looking for?

Again drug prohibition laws have a disparate impact upon minorities and therefore will never be enforced in large Democrat controlled cities.

[ajax18]

Someone who isn't ignorant would understand that gun laws at the local level are worthless. The bulk of the guns used in Chicago crimes come from out of state. Why? Because Chicago's laws make it more difficult to buy them. Now if the entire country had the same laws, we'd likely see major results as we see in other countries like Australia.

Why don't you see those same results in Mexico?

And why would inner city drug dealer not be able to obtain guns illegally from Mexico?

[K Graham]

Maybe Rittenhouse should have brought a pitchfork. That would look scary enough and likely would have kept him out of trouble.

This prosecutor would just say that Rittenhouse was guilty of provoking the rioters to chase him and caused them to impale themselves upon the pitchfork when he fell and could no longer run away.

The mainstream media is ultimately guilty of provoking this entire situation. Jacob Blake was a career criminal who broke a restraining order for digitally raping a woman then refused to drop the knife when confronted by police. This was later proven on video and the officer was entirely cleared. But at the time, the media was in the business of stoking racial tensions for political gain. Now that the media is invested in this false narrative about Rittenhouse, they can't back out of it. They have to come up with crazy theories like Kevin Graham saying that Rosenbaum was trying to disarm Rittenhouse by chasing him into a fall and cracking a skateboard over top his head twice.

You have your tiny head so far up Brietbart's anus that you wouldn't really know what the mainstream media has said or done on this issue. For you to say it is just some ad hoc "crazy theory" that people were trying to disarm Rittenhouse, demonstrates just how ignorant and desperate you are on this issue. That's been the claim since day one. I mean, if not to disarm, then what? The reason so many folks began to target Rittenhouse should be obvious. It was because he was toting an assault weapon in the middle of a chaotic situation after gun shots were heard being fired. That's what set him a part from the crowd. They were right to view him as a threat because he was.

[K Graham]

Someone who isn't ignorant would understand that gun laws at the local level are worthless. The bulk of the guns used in Chicago crimes come from out of state. Why? Because Chicago's laws make it more difficult to buy them. Now if the entire country had the same laws, we'd likely see major results as we see in other countries like Australia.

Why don't you see those same results in Mexico?

Because unlike Australia, Mexico doesn't enforce their laws. Again, what should be obvious completely flies right over your head.

[ajax18]

Because unlike Australia, Mexico doesn't enforce their laws.

Neither does the USA for the reasons I mentioned above.

[K Graham]

Majority of Guns Used in Chicago Crimes Come From Outside Illinois: Report

Most people who aren't locked into Brietbart know this already. Old News.

Sixty percent of firearms recovered by police originated from a dealer outside Illinois, research showed, with one out of every five guns coming from Indiana. [[454140443, C]]

Weapons recovered in Chicago were also traced back to Mississippi, Wisconsin, Ohio, Kentucky, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama and Texas, according to the report.

The vast majority of crime guns were handguns possessed by adults who were not the original purchaser of the firearm, the report says. But, it noted an uptick of juvenile offenders has trended upwards over the past four years – from nine percent in 2013 to nearly 13 percent in 2016.

[ajax18]

The reason so many folks began to target Rittenhouse should be obvious. It was because he was toting an assault weapon in the middle of a chaotic situation after gun shots were heard being fired. That's what set him a part from the crowd. They were right to view him as a threat because he was.

Maybe he was a threat to people who wanted to burn and loot local businesses with impunity. Did Grosskreutz have a legal firearm at this mostly peaceful protest? Was Grosskreutz charged with anything at all? What happened to your standard of, "Don't be a hero."

Let's add something else to "Hand up don't shoot." How about don't chase a guy with an AR 15 and try to shoot him with the illegal gun you brought to the protest.

[canpakes]

Who do you think sells the weapons to the cartels,

The Obama administration during the Fast and Furious operation?

It’s probably not the case that all cartels were unarmed prior to that operation, or obtained sufficient arms through it to meet their needs at the time, or since. ; )

[Jersey Girl]

RI where are you????

Currently watching the prosecution attempt to trade down on offenses/penalties. Under discussion (where I'm at in the stream) is the portion of the law I enlarged below. 941.28 is easily accessible. Will post it below this. Can NOT locate ss. 29.304 to save my damn life. Am I looking straight AT it?

They're discussing barrel length. The prosecution can't recall if it was addressed, judge cannot recall, defense recalls and tries to explain what happened...meanwhile the kid's life basically hangs in the balance while the court shows the world how screwed up it is.

I have never seen a prosecution team behave in this way. Not saying it doesn't happen on the daily in courtrooms across the nation, I've never seen it myself in a high profile case which is the only type of case I ever follow. They know they're being totally creamed by the defense and now, after all the evidence has been presented, they're back pedaling on the charges? And not only that, the judge has to keep bringing them back to the fact that the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Will probably comment later. Or not.

Color me astonished and not a little confused...

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1)  In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2) 
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
(3) 
(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult's supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult's supervision.
(b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.
948.60(3)(c)(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.
History: 1987 a. 332; 1991 a. 18, 139; 1993 a. 98; 1995 a. 27, 77; 1997 a. 248; 2001 a. 109; 2005 a. 163; 2011 a. 35.
Sub. (2) (b) does not set a standard for civil liability, and a violation of sub. (2) (b) does not constitute negligence per se. Logarto v. Gustafson, 998 F. Supp. 998 (1998).

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statut ... tes/948/55

941.28  Possession of short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.
(1)  In this section:
(a) “Rifle" means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder or hip and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of a propellant in a metallic cartridge to fire through a rifled barrel a single projectile for each pull of the trigger.
(b) “Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels having a length of less than 16 inches measured from closed breech or bolt face to muzzle or a rifle having an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(c) “Short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels having a length of less than 18 inches measured from closed breech or bolt face to muzzle or a shotgun having an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(d) “Shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder or hip and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of a propellant in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
(2) No person may sell or offer to sell, transport, purchase, possess or go armed with a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.
(3) Any person violating this section is guilty of a Class H felony.
(4) This section does not apply to the sale, purchase, possession, use or transportation of a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle to or by any armed forces or national guard personnel in line of duty, any peace officer of the United States or of any political subdivision of the United States or any person who has complied with the licensing and registration requirements under 26 USC 5801 to 5872. This section does not apply to the manufacture of short-barreled shotguns or short-barreled rifles for any person or group authorized to possess these weapons. The restriction on transportation contained in this section does not apply to common carriers. This section shall not apply to any firearm that may be lawfully possessed under federal law, or any firearm that could have been lawfully registered at the time of the enactment of the national firearms act of 1968.
(5) Any firearm seized under this section is subject to s. 968.20 (3) and is presumed to be contraband.
History: 1979 c. 115; 2001 a. 109.
The intent in sub. (1) (d) is that of the fabricator; that the gun is incapable of being fired or not intended to be fired by the possessor is immaterial. State v. Johnson, 171 Wis. 2d 175, 491 N.W.2d 110 (Ct. App. 1992).
“Firearm" means a weapon that acts by force of gunpowder to fire a projectile, regardless of whether it is inoperable due to disassembly. State v. Rardon, 185 Wis. 2d 701, 518 N.W.2d 330 (Ct. App. 1994).

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statut ... 941/iii/28