Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:01 pm
I can’t seem to find the Biden quote in question. Anyone better at google-fu than I am?
Biden didn’t call Rittenhouse a white supremacist.

During the campaign last year, Biden tweeted a short video featuring Chris Wallace asking candidate Trump this question: “Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we see in Portland…”

When Wallace says, “Kenosha”, a pic of Rittenhouse shows.

https://mobile.Twitter.com/JoeBiden/sta ... st-2021-11

Kevin Mathewson, the man who organized the group from Kenosha that night, said the following to Kenosha’s police chief, Daniel Miskinis, about the event:

“Chief Miskinis, As you know I am the commander of the Kenosha Guard, a local militia. We are mobilizing tonight and have about 3,000 RSVP’s. We have volunteers that will be in Uptown, downtown and at the entrances to other neighborhoods.”

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2020/08/2 ... t-weapons/

The video can be interpreted to be correct in associating Rittenhouse with Wallace’s mention of militia.
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A good comment from the link above by the local sheriff ref deputizing people:
At a news conference on Wednesday, Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth said he had been asked about deputizing armed civilians. Beth did not state what group or individuals had specifically made the request, but said that he opposed the idea.

“Once I deputize somebody they fall under the constitution of the state of Wisconsin. They fall under the county of Kenosha, they fall under my guidance, they have to follow my policy, they have to follow my supervisors,” Beth said. “They are a liability to me, and the county and the state of Wisconsin.”

If the person who fired the fatal shots had been deputized, he said, “that would have been, in reality [a] deputy sheriff who killed two people,” Beth said. “And the liability that goes with that would have been immense. … There’s no way that I would have deputized people.”
I’m always amazed at how daft ‘militia guy’ is regarding liability. They never really think things through. While the Ritters will probably beat the murder rap, I wouldn’t be surprised if he loses a civil suit. in my opinion, he’s definitely liable for civil damages to at least three families precisely because he basically deputized himself. He took on liability for his choices. It’ll be interesting to see how that unfolds after this trial wraps up.

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Ben gives some examples on his show of the liberal media calling Kyle Rittenhouse a racist white supremacist, murderer, and the general double standard for how district attorneys and the legal system treat people on the right versus how they treat people on the left.
There's definitely an iceberg under there. So I just want to go for a walk down memory lane gravy and put out a super cut of all of the various pundits and commentators who had things to say about Kyle Rittenhouse in the immediate aftermath of what happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Last year you'll recall the Kenosha, Wisconsin was set on fire over Jacob Blake after the media promulgated a lie, which is that the police shot an unarmed man for no good reason. It was not true about Jacob Blake and Jacob Blake was a criminal and Jacob Blake was carrying a knife and the police shot Jacob Blake because he refused to put down the knife after they ordered him a million times to put down the knife. And all of it was on tape. And the media ran with the false narrative anyway, in Kenosha, Bern, and then Kyle Rittenhouse, who apparently knew the, the people who were attempting to guard a car dealership decided that he was going to go 20 minutes down the road.

And he was going to help protect the car dealership. He's going to wipe away graffiti. He was going to do some medical treatment on people who are, who are injured in the riots that were happening. And then he got roped into a horrible situation in which he had to shoot three people. And oh, that was on tape. The shootings were on tape and we could see from the get-go what happened and barring some sort of extraneous evidence that showed the contrary. And I always weighed on these cases. I really do. I try to be considered about jumping in, in the early moments of cases and giving you sort of preliminary thoughts without all of the evidence being available. Because sometimes you get more evidence that wasn't available. I'd rather be late than be first and wrong. Late in rate is better than first and wrong. Okay? But everybody in the media is incentivized to give an opinion on cases, right from the get-go and without any provisos.

Examples of the media calling Kyle Rittenhouse a racist white supremacist hunting black people:

And so the media in the face of the available evidence suggested the Rittenhouse went there as a white supremacist to murder people. Here's a super cut from gravy and people making the suggestion beginning with Jason Johnson over at MSNBC.

Rittenhouse is basically what you would have had any school shooter. He's a 17 year old kid. He shouldn't have had a gun. He crossed state lines to supposedly protect property. No, he was going out to shoot people

Rittenhouse these 17 year old vigilante Kyle Rittenhouse,

the Vigilante Rittenhouse,

Arm, teenage vigilante, the 17 year old vigilante, arguably a domestic terrorist picked up a rifle, drove

And stay to shoot people. Call Rittenhouse a guy who's deeply racist. Went with weapons to a black lives matter protest looking to get in trouble. He did. He murdered a couple of people Rittenhouse the 17 year old kid, just running around


Shooting and killing protesters. You see the 17 year old who was radicalized by Trumpism, took his AR 15 to Kenosha and became a killer.

Okay? So I'm Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be a very, very rich man. If the jury does what it obviously has to do in this case in Kenosha because Kyle Rittenhouse sort of all, she should have his lawyers on speed dial. This makes Covington Catholic. We'll take nothing away from Covington Catholic.
Covington Catholic was about the humiliation of a bunch of school kids for doing nothing but standing there, you have commentators on these networks with the tape available, calling him a domestic terrorist and a white supremacist. And these are prominent people. It's people like Frank Weaker and Steve Schmidt of the Lincoln project, which has a habit of going after minors. John, Heilemann talking about his domestic terrorists, Joe Scarborough, suggesting that he's running around shooting and killing protestors. You're not a protester.

Or once you go for somebody's gun guys, that ain't how that works. And you'll remember that Facebook legitimately banned links to Rittenhouse's defense fund. We had his lawyer on before the, before the trial began and his legal team was saying they could not raise funds. They couldn't crowdfund. So you could have Kamala Harris bailing out rioters in the middle of the 20, 20 BLM riots. But Kyle Rittenhouse could not raise a defense fund because the big tech companies essentially labeled him a domestic terrorist. They labeled him as somebody who is not worthy of being able to raise money for his legal defense. The blaze reported that just last year, Facebook has banned users from sharing a crowdfunding link to assist with the legal fees for 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse, who was charged with homicide last week, following fatal shootings that occurred during a ride in Kenosha.

But the site allows posts, asking for fundraising for several other individuals who have been charged with crimes, including murder and the like. So they basically singled out Rittenhouse. The Washington times reported online fundraisers were made for the teens legal defense shortly after he was identified as the suspect, but they quickly vanished from GoFundMe. Go fund me said that campaigns for Rittenhouse violated its terms of service, but did not explain any further. Facebook did allow links for other fundraisers, including Mark Wilson, a 21 year old, who was charged with felony murder after killing a 17 year old girl, there was a GoFundMe started by Michael Moore to support individuals prosecuted for tearing down monuments.

There's a Minnesota freedom fund promoted by Kamala Harris, right? All of these people were able to raise money, not Kyle Rittenhouse because Kyle Rittenhouse was prejudged by the media to be a domestic terrorist, guilty white supremacist. And none of it ended up being true. None of it. Okay. This case never should have been brought. Again, my faith in the system is such that I figured if they're bringing a case, maybe they know something I don't, because that does happen in trial. Sometimes, sometimes they bring the case and then the case ends up being stronger than you thought it was going to be. Or sometimes they bring a case and it ends up being weaker than you thought it was going to be. And you don't know until the evidence is in the room. And so I tend to withhold judgment in these cases until the evidence is in the room. Okay? But when you see a case, this bad being brought, this horrible being brought, you got to think the institution has now been gutted from the inside.
When prosecutors are bringing cases specifically because of political pressure, you cannot feel safe. I'm talking about you. You cannot feel safe in a system where prosecutors are bringing cases, purely out of political pressure. If you happen to be on the wrong side of the media, in any particular conflict, you will end up in the prosecutors crosshairs. And it undermines my faith in the system. When it comes to everything from the BLM rioters, most of whom were basically got off scot-free to the sentencing of people on January 6th. Again, I think criminals should go to jail. If you commit a crime, you should go to jail. But now I want to see all the evidence in all these cases, because I got to say, when you, again, when you see a little bit of the iceberg above the water line, you start to think, oh, maybe these institutions, maybe, maybe there's that iceberg is a real, and I don't want to rip on the institutions.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:59 pm
Ben gives some examples on his show of the liberal media calling Kyle Rittenhouse a racist white supremacist, murderer, and the general double standard for how district attorneys and the legal system treat people on the right versus how they treat people on the left.
Examples of the media calling Kyle Rittenhouse a racist white supremacist hunting black people:

Weird. Not one thing in that post was an “(e)xample(s) of the media calling Kyle Rittenhouse a racist white supremacist hunting black people”. You’re an eye doc, and you missed that?

Rittenhouse shot and killed people that even his own lawyer suggested weren’t so much trying to kill him as disarm him.

Rittenhouse’s lawyer, John Pierce, said that Rittenhous’s attacker Rosenbaum “began to assault him from behind, attempted to take his weapon, take his firearm, and Kyle, when he turned, he instantaneously had no choice but to defend himself by firing because he was in imminent danger of serious bodily harm or death”

If Rittenhouse wants to pretend that he’s a big boy and play with firearms in the middle of a riot, then he’d better grow a much thicker skin after actually killing people. If he can’t handle what anonymous folks on Twitter have to say about him after that, then he can’t handle a firearm.
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canpakes wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:08 pm

Weird. Not one thing in that post was an “(e)xample(s) of the media calling Kyle Rittenhouse a racist white supremacist hunting black people”.
You noticed that too, huh?
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A look back at first reports...each video is 3 minutes or less.

Antioch residents react after teen arrested for Kenosha shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO5gAhzFjJc


New video shows Antioch teen just before deadly Kenosha protest shooting | ABC7 Chicago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpDZJ_dPxYo


New details on 17-year-old arrested after allegedly killing 2 in Kenosha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj56j5jbQ8Y
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:58 am
I believe it’s not unusual for a person with PTSD to snap
Psychology and psychiatry are not very credible and most of the published research in those disciplines is wrong.

"The past several years have been bruising ones for the credibility of the social sciences."
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/scie ... -says.html

"A new study, published in Psychiatry Research, has concluded that psychiatric diagnoses are scientifically worthless as tools to identify discrete mental health disorders...Diagnoses frequently and uncritically reported as 'real illnesses' are in fact made on the basis of internally inconsistent, confused and contradictory patterns of largely arbitrary criteria. The diagnostic system wrongly assumes that all distress results from disorder, and relies heavily on subjective judgments about what is normal"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 131152.htm

False PTSD diagnoses are very common.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2775926
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:59 pm
"A new study, published in Psychiatry Research, has concluded that psychiatric diagnoses are scientifically worthless as tools to identify discrete mental health disorders...Diagnoses frequently and uncritically reported as 'real illnesses' are in fact made on the basis of internally inconsistent, confused and contradictory patterns of largely arbitrary criteria. The diagnostic system wrongly assumes that all distress results from disorder, and relies heavily on subjective judgments about what is normal"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 131152.htm
So, ptsd is fake? Is that what you’re saying within the context of this thread?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:13 pm

So, ptsd is fake? Is that what you’re saying within the context of this thread?

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No, but it is over-diagnosed in the US.
PTSD is often conflated with normal responses to difficult situations, which has led to increased pressure on services to make this diagnosis.

“The conflation of stress with trauma—and of trauma with PTSD—has become rife. This is the most convincing explanation for overdiagnosis,” they write.

Other factors, such as the role of “compensation culture” and vested interests of the “trauma industry” might also be involved, they say. Alternatively, it may be that psychiatry and society have become more understanding of trauma, and hence more flexible about boundaries for diagnosis and treatment.
https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/is ... diagnosed/

Rittenhouse probably isn't suffering from a mental illness at all.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:59 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:58 am
I believe it’s not unusual for a person with PTSD to snap
Psychology and psychiatry are not very credible and most of the published research in those disciplines is wrong.

"The past several years have been bruising ones for the credibility of the social sciences."
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/scie ... -says.html

"A new study, published in Psychiatry Research, has concluded that psychiatric diagnoses are scientifically worthless as tools to identify discrete mental health disorders...Diagnoses frequently and uncritically reported as 'real illnesses' are in fact made on the basis of internally inconsistent, confused and contradictory patterns of largely arbitrary criteria. The diagnostic system wrongly assumes that all distress results from disorder, and relies heavily on subjective judgments about what is normal"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 131152.htm

False PTSD diagnoses are very common.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2775926
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I've also represented a few who were in the middle of 9/11. One client was lucky enough to be in Giuliani's group when someone directed them to go a certain way. Others went the other way and were crushed by one of the falling towers. This client had to go through years of therapy for PTSD. It's real, brother.
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