Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well, I guess one just has to wait until one’s skull is caved in before pulling the trigger.

- Doc

Or, you know, one might try to defend oneself in hand to hand combat. I can think of a couple times when I've had to bow up and defend myself, but never once did I think, "Maybe I should grab this steak knife and use it with lethal force."

The problem with your anecdotal experience is that the events surrounding your altercation is unique to your situation and has no bearing on the Ritters’ situation. Equating the two situations doesn’t make any sense.

- Doc

[K Graham]

Or, you know, one might try to defend oneself in hand to hand combat. I can think of a couple times when I've had to bow up and defend myself, but never once did I think, "Maybe I should grab this steak knife and use it with lethal force."

The problem with your anecdotal experience is that the events surrounding your altercation is unique to your situation and has no bearing on the Ritters’ situation. Equating the two situations doesn’t make any sense.

- Doc

Of course no two situations are entirely equal, I was just saying he had another option besides killing him or just standing there without fighting back.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

The problem with your anecdotal experience is that the events surrounding your altercation is unique to your situation and has no bearing on the Ritters’ situation. Equating the two situations doesn’t make any sense.

- Doc

Of course no two situations are entirely equal, I was just saying he had another option besides killing him or just standing there without fighting back.

I mean, look, I’ll state that again I think KR had no business being there, had no business bringing any weapon of any type whatsoever, and certainly had no authority to act as a self-deputized militia. I’m 100% on board with that. I’m frustrated that he can make a series of bad decisions and will probably skate because the way Wisconsin statutes are written. It is what it is.

But, I’ll disagree just as strongly that he has some sort of responsibility to take a beating by a psychopath who made his intentions clear. Me? If for some reason I thought it was a great idea to ‘provide security’ for anonymous people who have zero bearing on my life the moment I see a bunch of nasty asses fully displaying their mental illnesses, brandishing hand guns, lighting things on fire, I would’ve left because there’s simply no way I can make a difference.

However, what I think about everyone there has zero to do with anything. The bottom line is if we can’t hold Rosenbaum’s prior life, choices, and statements against him we’re forced to do the same with KR. If an adult male chose to aggressively rush, threaten, reach for, or whatever to or at KR then we’re now in the moment. And it’s the moment we have to square with Wisconsin statute.

No one here looks good. They’re all losers in my opinion. What kind of people look and act like the rioters look and act? They’re bananas. And what kind of larping asshats show up to dEfEnD tHe ToWn? From my pov they’re equally bananas. I think we need to go hard at both sides, legally, to stop this nonsense before it just becomes anarchy and people just start killing each other in a low-level civil conflict.

- Doc

[Dr Exiled]

Of course no two situations are entirely equal, I was just saying he had another option besides killing him or just standing there without fighting back.

I mean, look, I’ll state that again I think Kyle Rittenhouse had no business being there, had no business bringing any weapon of any type whatsoever, and certainly had no authority to act as a self-deputized militia. I’m 100% on board with that. I’m frustrated that he can make a series of bad decisions and will probably skate because the way Wisconsin statutes are written. It is what it is.

But, I’ll disagree just as strongly that he has some sort of responsibility to take a beating by a psychopath who made his intentions clear. Me? If for some reason I thought it was a great idea to ‘provide security’ for anonymous people who have zero bearing on my life the moment I see a bunch of nasty asses fully displaying their mental illnesses, brandishing hand guns, lighting things on fire, I would’ve left because there’s simply no way I can make a difference.

However, what I think about everyone there has zero to do with anything. The bottom line is if we can’t hold Rosenbaum’s prior life, choices, and statements against him we’re forced to do the same with Kyle Rittenhouse. If an adult male chose to aggressively rush, threaten, reach for, or whatever to or at Kyle Rittenhouse then we’re now in the moment. And it’s the moment we have to square with Wisconsin statute.

No one here looks good. They’re all losers in my opinion. What kind of people look and act like the rioters look and act? They’re bananas. And what kind of larping asshats show up to dEfEnD tHe ToWn? From my pov they’re equally bananas. I think we need to go hard at both sides, legally, to stop this nonsense before it just becomes anarchy and people just start killing each other in a low-level civil conflict.

- Doc

Well said.

[Binger]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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https://Twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/131 ... aign-libel

For those interested you can see a picture of Kyle Rittenhouse in this Joe Biden campaign ad that alleges him to be a white supremacist violent domestic terrorist.

[canpakes]

https://Twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/131 ... aign-libel

For those interested you can see a picture of Kyle Rittenhouse in this Joe Biden campaign ad that alleges him to be a white supremacist violent domestic terrorist.

I’ll just repeat this from back on page 15:

Biden didn’t call Rittenhouse a white supremacist.

During the campaign last year, Biden tweeted a short video featuring Chris Wallace asking candidate Trump this question: “Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we see in Portland…”

When Wallace says, “Kenosha”, a pic of Rittenhouse shows.

https://mobile.Twitter.com/JoeBiden/sta ... st-2021-11

Kevin Mathewson, the man who organized the group from Kenosha that night, said the following to Kenosha’s police chief, Daniel Miskinis, about the event:

“Chief Miskinis, As you know I am the commander of the Kenosha Guard, a local militia. We are mobilizing tonight and have about 3,000 RSVP’s. We have volunteers that will be in Uptown, downtown and at the entrances to other neighborhoods.”

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2020/08/2 ... t-weapons/

The video can be interpreted to be correct in associating Rittenhouse with Wallace’s mention of militia.

[K Graham]

Of course no two situations are entirely equal, I was just saying he had another option besides killing him or just standing there without fighting back.

I mean, look, I’ll state that again I think Kyle Rittenhouse had no business being there, had no business bringing any weapon of any type whatsoever, and certainly had no authority to act as a self-deputized militia. I’m 100% on board with that. I’m frustrated that he can make a series of bad decisions and will probably skate because the way Wisconsin statutes are written. It is what it is.

But, I’ll disagree just as strongly that he has some sort of responsibility to take a beating by a psychopath who made his intentions clear. Me? If for some reason I thought it was a great idea to ‘provide security’ for anonymous people who have zero bearing on my life the moment I see a bunch of nasty asses fully displaying their mental illnesses, brandishing hand guns, lighting things on fire, I would’ve left because there’s simply no way I can make a difference.

However, what I think about everyone there has zero to do with anything. The bottom line is if we can’t hold Rosenbaum’s prior life, choices, and statements against him we’re forced to do the same with Kyle Rittenhouse. If an adult male chose to aggressively rush, threaten, reach for, or whatever to or at Kyle Rittenhouse then we’re now in the moment. And it’s the moment we have to square with Wisconsin statute.

No one here looks good. They’re all losers in my opinion. What kind of people look and act like the rioters look and act? They’re bananas. And what kind of larping asshats show up to dEfEnD tHe ToWn? From my pov they’re equally bananas. I think we need to go hard at both sides, legally, to stop this nonsense before it just becomes anarchy and people just start killing each other in a low-level civil conflict.

- Doc

Yeah I'd be surprised if anyone disagreed that there were losers on all sides, with the exception of ajax and other Trumpers who view Kyle as a hero worthy of praise. But my main concern is that we are now in a post-Trump world when right wingers of all stripes are making threats of violence and if Kyle is given a pass for his actions it will only encourage others to follow his example. On the other hand, if he were held accountable and was forced to serve time of any amount, that would give these people reason to reconsider.

One way or another this trial's outcome is going to set a precedent that will affect future protest situations. People need to feel reassured that the laws of the land will hold idiots like Rittenhouse accountable. Otherwise we could see more public gun carrying from both sides. Everyone watching this trial is getting a PhD in how to kill people legally. Just insert yourself into a hostile situation and let things take their natural course.

But we already know how this would play out if Kyle were black, fighting off protesters at the capitol on Jan 6th. Hell, FOX News had a conniption fit over a lone Black Panther member because he stood in public unarmed minding his own business outside a polling place.

[drumdude]

Looks like Binger also withheld the identity of jump kick man from the defense.

This needs to be an immediate mistrial with prejudice (no chance for retrial) and Binger needs to be fired and disbarred. He should lose everything in the civil case Rittenhouse will inevitably file.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Looks like Binger also withheld the identity of jump kick man from the defense.

So you have a source for that? I’d like to look it over to see if the county is refusing to charge the man for assault.



- Doc