Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Jersey Girl]

Same video...watch the screens...JR is the short guy in the dark pink shirt. Watch him...tune in to what he's saying.

https://youtu.be/MioJ0vnmtU0?t=817

ETA: Keep watching the screen to the lower right. WATCH him. LISTEN to him.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Flagging someone isn’t deadly force. And if you’re threatening someone and chasing someone that is armed, I don’t think being flagged, especially since Kyle Rittenhouse flagged Rosenbaum before without firing on him, can justify use of force. Rosenbaum, if he felt threatened had a duty to retreat. In other words, Kyle Rittenhouse wasn’t an active shooter. In fact, the only “active shooter” prior to Kyle Rittenhouse firing on Rosenbaum was Ziminski.

- Doc

I don’t have to wait until you use deadly force before I’m privileged to defend myself or another by using deadly force against you. If you aim your assault rifle at me in a confrontational situation, anyone present, including me, had an excellent case that they are entitled to prevent you from killings me or causing me grevious bodily harm by using deadly force to prevent you from pulling the trigger.

Were you previously threatening me and following me and then finally bum rushed me? Because if that’s case I’m going to draw down on you, and if you don’t stop I’ll be in court explaining to a judge why I shot your ass.

People have a right to open carry, and they have a right to warn you off especially if you’re making attempts to close the gap to get to either them or their weapon. It’s absolutely asinine to expect you can can follow an open carrying citizen, while making threats, assuming negligence on their part when they didn’t do anything to merit that (especially absurd if you’re lighting crap on fire, and screaming at people to, “SHOOT ME N********!”, and then attack them or go for their weapon. Call the police.

- Doc

[doubtingthomas]

I’ll be in court explaining to a judge why I shot your ass.

Thousands claiming self-defense get convicted in court, it all depends on the jury or the judge. It is all subjective. Some judges are very intelligent, others are very stupid.

People have a right to open carry

Rittenhouse didn't have the right to be there because there was a curfew. And according to the self-defense laws in Winconsin

"As long as the individual using deadly force in self-defense has the legal right to be in the location, didn’t provoke the confrontation, and the other party continues to be the aggressor, then the individual is allowed to use deadly force against the other party."
https://www.wicriminaldefense.com/blog/ ... ense-laws/

People have a right to open carry, and they have a right to warn you off especially if you’re making attempts to close the gap to get to either them or their weapon. It’s absolutely asinine to expect you can can follow an open carrying citizen, while making threats

Did they make death threats?

Call the police.

The police can take a very long time to get there (something gun advocates like to argue). Rittenhouse was a dangerous threat when he pointed his gun at protestors.

[Res Ipsa]

I don’t have to wait until you use deadly force before I’m privileged to defend myself or another by using deadly force against you. If you aim your assault rifle at me in a confrontational situation, anyone present, including me, had an excellent case that they are entitled to prevent you from killings me or causing me grevious bodily harm by using deadly force to prevent you from pulling the trigger.

Were you previously threatening me and following me and then finally bum rushed me? Because if that’s case I’m going to draw down on you, and if you don’t stop I’ll be in court explaining to a judge why I shot your ass.

People have a right to open carry, and they have a right to warn you off especially if you’re making attempts to close the gap to get to either them or their weapon. It’s absolutely asinine to expect you can can follow an open carrying citizen, while making threats, assuming negligence on their part when they didn’t do anything to merit that (especially absurd if you’re lighting crap on fire, and screaming at people to, “SHOOT ME N********!”, and then attack them or go for their weapon. Call the police.

- Doc

I’m not talking about Rittenhouse. I’m talking in general. Yes, you have the right to open carry. Yes, you have the right to (verbally) warn me if you object to my behavior in some way. But you absolutely do not have the right to threaten me with deadly force by aiming your weapon at me with only a squeeze of your hand separating me from life and death unless a reasonable person in your position would believe deadly force was reasonable and necessary to prevent you or others from death or serious bodily harm. You don’t have a right to threaten use of deadly force in response to taunts or obnoxious behavior.

Not only that, if you “draw down” on me, it’s entirely reasonable for me or any bystander to conclude you intend to use deadly force on me, triggering their ability to use deadly force to stop you.

The lobbyists pushing all these free for all armed citizen laws and stand your ground laws haven’t thought through what happens when all those piecemeal laws fit together. It literally puts the ability of citizens to use deadly force on each other on a hair trigger. From a public safety standpoint, it’s moronic.

I’ve watched the videos of how quickly and efficiently Rittenhouse killed the two men. How much time was there for anyone to determine his intent to use deadly force before he used it?

[Jersey Girl]

I’ll be in court explaining to a judge why I shot your ass.

Thousands claiming self-defense get convicted in court, it all depends on the jury or the judge. It is all subjective. Some judges are very intelligent, others are very stupid.

People have a right to open carry

Rittenhouse didn't have the right to be there because there was a curfew. And according to the self-defense laws in Winconsin

Is he being charged for violating curfew?

[Jersey Girl]

Call the police.

The police can take a very long time to get there (something gun advocates like to argue). Rittenhouse was a dangerous threat when he pointed his gun at protestors.

Where were the police in Kenosha that evening?

[drumdude]

Same video...watch the screens...JR is the short guy in the dark pink shirt. Watch him...tune in to what he's saying.

https://youtu.be/MioJ0vnmtU0?t=817

ETA: Keep watching the screen to the lower right. WATCH him. LISTEN to him.

What is he saying? It's difficult to hear.

[Jersey Girl]

Same video...watch the screens...JR is the short guy in the dark pink shirt. Watch him...tune in to what he's saying.

https://youtu.be/MioJ0vnmtU0?t=817

ETA: Keep watching the screen to the lower right. WATCH him. LISTEN to him.

What is he saying? It's difficult to hear.

Yeah, I know. Let me try to find it without a split screen. What you can hear at the link above is "why you do dat?" and something like "get the “F” out"...he keeps coming at the guys (including the guys with weapons--that one in the green shirt I mistook for KR) and people are continuously pulling him back.

The video I originally saw was not split screen. I'll try to locate that. Think it was in the trial.

[Res Ipsa]

Thousands claiming self-defense get convicted in court, it all depends on the jury or the judge. It is all subjective. Some judges are very intelligent, others are very stupid.



Rittenhouse didn't have the right to be there because there was a curfew. And according to the self-defense laws in Winconsin

Is he being charged for violating curfew?

It doesn’t matter whether he’s charged with a crime based on curfew violation. Rittenhouse claims he’s entitled to invoke the self defense privilege. The state is entitled to present evidence that Rittenhouse isn’t entitled to invoke the privilege. The state doesn’t have to prove him guilty of crime — it just has show that Rittenhouse didn’t have a right to be where he was.

[Binger]

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