Mormons and Critical Race Theory

[Marcus]

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... ation.html

From this source:

critical race theory curriculum evaluation techniques that focus on cultural representation and social justice have the potential to adversely impact math and science instruction. For example, a toolkit provided on New York University's Steinhardt Metropolitan Center for Research on Equity and the Transformation of Schools' website asks teams to assess math curricula from the standpoint of the diversity of ethnicity and sex identification. critical race theory implementation introduces the threat that the mathematical principles discovered by Euclid, Fibonacci, Pythagoras, Archimedes, and Newton be canceled because they are dead white men and not non-binary or BIPOC.

These links are just for starters and illustration. Critical race theory is impacting overall quality education.

the part about the toolkit is simply not true.

Agree, with Marcus.

MG, I would ask you to provide a case for this allegation (bold text). Otherwise, it looks like you’re just buying into bad partisan rhetoric that isn’t based on truth.

I dunno. How deeply have YOU dug into this? American Thinker might be closer to the target than anything you’ve heard…or not heard…on CNN.

so, no response to a question about a claim you posted?

The letter I’ve linked to gives some small indication that the folks at American Thinker might be closer to the mark than one might think at first blush.

I disagree, and already several untruths and exaggerations have been pointed out about that source. Why do you think its authors are "closer to the mark"?

[Res Ipsa]

I was wondering how we went from critical race theory to whatever California is doing with Math.

- Doc

Or how Critical Race Theory is responsible for data science.

[canpakes]

Agree, with Marcus.

MG, I would ask you to provide a case for this allegation (bold text). Otherwise, it looks like you’re just buying into bad partisan rhetoric that isn’t based on truth.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/califo ... scientists

https://sites.google.com/view/k12mathmatters/home

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-m ... ushed-back

So you folks are saying there’s nothing going on out there to create and implement WOKE curriculum?

It takes intentional blindness to the facts to sit in that position.

I see no reason to backtrack on anything I’ve linked to or said on this thread.

Regards,
MG

MG -

None of your three sources affirms this accusation from your prior post:

… critical race theory implementation introduces the threat that the mathematical principles discovered by Euclid, Fibonacci, Pythagoras, Archimedes, and Newton be canceled because they are dead white men and not non-binary or BIPOC.

Do you have a source from any proposed curriculum that speaks to this accusation?

[Morley]

You can call me what you will, but I’ll let my words and those linked to speak for themselves.

MG2.0’s words and links speaking for themselves:*


Condescending SOB.

the militantly woke

leftists

Marxists

WE THE PEOPLE

hard leftists

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critical race theory implementation introduces the threat that the mathematical principles discovered by Euclid, Fibonacci, Pythagoras, Archimedes, and Newton be canceled because they are dead white men and not non-binary or BIPOC.

And your response is BS.

Typical liberal.

Know it all.

But We The People are rising up.

WOKE STEAM

VIEWFINDER

Even at prestigious private schools, the principles of physics, such as Newton's Laws, are being canceled or renamed

you can call me foolish/fool all you want

A sleeping giant has been awakened.

NOT

‘boogy manned’

WOKE



*in no particular order

[Res Ipsa]

Agree, with Marcus.

MG, I would ask you to provide a case for this allegation (bold text). Otherwise, it looks like you’re just buying into bad partisan rhetoric that isn’t based on truth.

I dunno. How deeply have YOU dug into this? American Thinker might be closer to the target than anything you’ve heard…or not heard…on CNN.

The letter I’ve linked to gives some small indication that the folks at American Thinker might be closer to the mark than one might think at first blush. Some things just ain’t being taught anymore.

Why?

By the way, I sent three complaints your way on this thread for moderation. How does a moderator moderate with prejudice against the complainant? If anyone can, you can…yet…

Regards,
MG

Who is Linda R. Killian and why would I think she knows thing one about what she is talking about? The American Thinker is nothing more than a right-wing grab bag of blogpost/essays. Right now on the front page is an climate article by Christopher Monckton. Anyone who has followed “Lord” Monckton and his combination of buffoonery and dishonesty would see this a giant red flag that the editors are interested in polemics, not accurate facts.

I suspect that I’ve “dug in” to the subject matter as much as anyone. I was a student at the Harvard Law School (may it’s Name be praised) when Critical Legal Studies was the hot topic in legal theory. I took courses from crit professors. I read crit articles. I went to a crit conference.

Derek Bell was a professor at that time, but he may have been on his protest sabbatical then. I didn’t learn Critical theory in courses with the word Critical in the title. I learned it in Contracts, Property, Education and Law, etc. And what we now call Critical Race Theory was just a specialized application of Critical Legal Studies.

critical race theory is the the legal theory behind the concept of structural racism. It’s a concept that has been kicked around and discussed for decades without scary boogeymen. The scary bogeyman was created for a single reason: to whip up the conservatives base for the 2022 mid terms. Period. It was a project of one guy who admitted that his intent was to throw everything about race that scared white fools into a bin and label it as critical race theory. critical race theory is this elections gay marriage or men dressing as women to rape other women in bathrooms.

MG presents critical race theory as some kind of existential threat to Western Democracy and enlightenment values. Of course, he doesn’t go into detail about what Critical theorists actually say on those topics. What Critical Theory does is show that ideas like “all men are created equal” are just pretty words if we close our eyes to what actually occurs in real life to flesh and blood humans.

Critical Race Theory holds classical theory to account for the real world. Classical legal theory looks at the law in a vacuum, says “nope, nothing discriminatory in there,” and then pats itself on the back for not being racist.” Critical Legal Theory looks at the effect of our judicial system and says “wait a minute. If the law is Race neutral, why have black folks been disproportionately incarcerated ever since the end of reconstruction?

Rejecting Critical Theory is the equivalent of a scientist stating a hypothesis as fact but refusing to test it with an experiment. If one truly believes in Western Values, Critical Theory is what holds those values’ feet to the fire. Anyone can talk the talk. But true commitment to those values means being willing to make sure we are walking the walk.

[canpakes]

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MG, when I was looking at this thread last year, I missed this follow up of yours -

MG, I would ask you to provide a case for this allegation (bold text). Otherwise, it looks like you’re just buying into bad partisan rhetoric that isn’t based on truth.

I dunno. How deeply have YOU dug into this?

Deep enough to know empty rhetoric designed to play on emotions when I see it. And then some.

There’s a conversation or two about this topic down in Spirit Paradise, where critical race theory and the supposed ditching of ‘the basics’ have been discussed. I’ll grab links to those for you in a bit. They might be worth your time to read.

American Thinker might be closer to the target than anything you’ve heard…or not heard…on CNN.

I can’t tell you what CNN is saying about the subject, because I never watch CNN. But I can tell you that American Thinker is not without its own prejudice and agenda, should you feel that CNN has the same.

The letter I’ve linked to gives some small indication that the folks at American Thinker might be closer to the mark than one might think at first blush.

Not necessarily, or it would have provided to you some backup for the assertion that you posted earlier. Yet, here you’ve started off your reply with, “I dunno”. There’s a reason for that, it would seem.

Some things just ain’t being taught anymore.

Why?

List the ‘some things’, and we can talk about them.

By the way, I sent three complaints your way on this thread for moderation. How does a moderator moderate with prejudice against the complainant? If anyone can, you can…yet…

The complaints were valid. It doesn’t matter how I feel about the subject under discussion, or even whatever my past interactions have been with the person hitting the report button; what mattered was the fact that a derail was inserted and required removal, according to the rules.

But, my question to you is - why would you interpret a prejudice against you simply because I’ve asked for a supporting reference to a claim presented by you?

[MG 2.0]

You can call me what you will, but I’ll let my words and those linked to speak for themselves.

MG2.0’s words and links speaking for themselves:*


Condescending SOB.

the militantly woke

leftists

Marxists

WE THE PEOPLE

hard leftists

viewfinder

critical race theory implementation introduces the threat that the mathematical principles discovered by Euclid, Fibonacci, Pythagoras, Archimedes, and Newton be canceled because they are dead white men and not non-binary or BIPOC.

And your response is BS.

Typical liberal.

Know it all.

But We The People are rising up.

WOKE STEAM

VIEWFINDER

Even at prestigious private schools, the principles of physics, such as Newton's Laws, are being canceled or renamed

you can call me foolish/fool all you want

A sleeping giant has been awakened.

NOT

‘boogy manned’

WOKE



*in no particular order

Yup. Them’s my words. And words I linked to.

Next?

Oh, here is another bit of something to think about:

…if critical race theory isn’t being taught, then where’s the harm in banning it? If it’s a “myth,” what’s the harm in banning something that doesn’t exist?

Good thing it isn’t being taught in the schools.

Parents might have something to say about it if they thought Marxist thought was being taught. Oh yeah, they are.

https://spectator.org/marxism-and-critical-race-theory/

I’m done.

Happy New Year!

Regards,
MG

[Res Ipsa]

See you on this thread tomorrow.

[Marcus]

Individuals are disciplined and treated not on the basis of individual merits or rule infractions, etc., but on what group they belong to.

I certainly believe this is happening in Utah, or at least in Davis County. The recent DOJ report on Davis county schools was horrifying.

Black students were disciplined more harshly and frequently than white students, the investigation found, and Black students were denied opportunities to form student groups. Complaints about such treatment were frequently ignored or brushed off, leading the Justice Department to conclude that the district “was deliberately indifferent to the racially hostile climate in many of its schools.”
https://www.google.com/url?esrc=s&q=&rc ... T9Y4FdsyjR

Hopefully the DOJ's report will help Utah schools do better.

And now we have school districts changing their requirements for placement/graduation based upon racial groups rather than as individuals. The standards are being dumbed down or done away with....All in the name of equality/equity.

Could you give an example of this? Or explain why you think this? The link you gave talks about changing requirements, but it does not say it is race-based. I asked for examples of your comment before, but wanted to ask again in case you missed it.

And you think equity training and critical race theory doesn’t play a part in this degradation? You would have to be intentionally blind to the obvious.

if it's obvious these things are degrading requirements, then examples would be easy to produce. Do you have any?

You've avoided questions about this several times now. If you just can't answer, that's fine. But, as long as you continue to double down on your factless assumptions, people will continue to ask for proof.

[Kishkumen]

I don't find "repentance" as a personally helpful concept in this area. Maybe that's my LDS upbringing -- I was taught to repent of my own sins and not the sins of others.

One thing I find fascinating is the rise of the Orwellian right and it's deployment of Newspeak. In Right-wing Newspeak, "racism" is completely divorced from its original meaning of "treating someone less favorably on the basis of race" to "anyone who dares talk about race." It turns the majority white folks into poor victims of "racism," which, in reality, is nothing more than people talking about racism.

Look at how Atlanticmike twists himself into pretzels to cast a virtue (e.g., the Good Samaritan) into a vice. Under his version of the scriptures, Jesus would have castigated the Good Samaritan for treating the person he helped as less than a victim. It's pernicious and racist as hell.

Part of the newspeak is use of "colorblind" or "I don't see color" by white folks. It goes hand in hand with pretending that racism has simply disappeared from the U.S. But, of course, it's complete nonsense. If you can't see color, you have no idea whether racism exists or not. Here's the Newspeak version of "I don't see color" applied in 1800. Q: "Why do you enslave black people?" A: "What black people. I don't see color. You're just a racist."

To have an actual colorblind society means having a society that doesn't systematically disadvantage certain racial groups. There is no escaping the fact that racism was explicitly woven into the fabric of American society for hundreds of years. You can't understand the institution of slavery in the U.S. without understanding racism. You can't understand the de facto reinstitution of slavery after reconstruction without understanding racism. You can't understand Jim Crow and lynching without understanding racism. You can't understand the Great Migration without understanding racism.

So the question we should be asking ourselves is whether racism is still woven into our tapestry. If it isn't, then "moving toward colorblindness" is simply denial of an existing race problem.

There are are two good examples of how racism in the more recent past has had generational effects on black folks. The first is education. even after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, lots of white folks fought tooth and nail to keep their children from having to go to school with black children. At least a generation of black children received inferior education because of those efforts at the very time that education presented a powerful opportunity for upward economic mobility.

The other is redlining. After WW II, the U.S. Government promoted economic growth in the middle class through home ownership in the form of Virginia and FHA loans. But redlining largely shut black folks out of that ability to tap into that source of wealth, costing them billions, if not trillions, of dollars in wealth.

And the best current example is the criminal justice system. We have good evidence that the criminal justice system disadvantages black folks at every step of the process. The rate of incarceration for black folks, especially black men, is unconscionable. When combined with how we treat criminals who have served their sentences, the inevitable result is a permanent underclass of U.S. citizens based on race.

It's not enough to close our eyes and pretend we're color blind. That's just being willfully blind.

I won't be convinced that we've left racism behind as a country until white folks can have a rational conversation about race without getting all butthurt. Making the ridiculous claim that the only racism is talking about race = butthurt. Passing legislation prohibiting the teaching of a subject in circumstances where it isn't being taught = butthurt. Bursting into tears when a POC gives an example of racism in the work place = butthurt.

I don't wear a hair shirt over these issues. I simply view racism as a problem that keeps America from being the exceptional nation that it could be. "All men are created equal" are pretty words that have been a lie for most of our history as a country. I think it's worth living up to our ideals rather than just cosplaying them.

So, in other words, the problem continues and needs to be addressed.