Guns in America

[canpakes]

And if we had a stricter law about driving over children in driveways, then that wouldn't be a problem no more.

At least children rarely drive over themselves with cars.

Are you mocking people who commit suicide?

You already forgot that you were talking about driving over children in driveways?

[K Graham]

I would think intent. Drunk drivers don't intend to get drunk so they can go run someone over. But as I said, repeat offenders are different because they didn't learn from the mistake the first time and can no longer be trusted behind the wheel.

When you said, "Violent criminals shouldn't be allowed to ever own a gun again" were you talking about repeat violent offenders?

No, not if their violent crimes involved a gun with the intent to harm or kill.

[Res Ipsa]

Life is complicated and people are complicated. Absolutes belong only in logic class. Well, mostly.

Yes, but drunk drivers kill more innocent people. Mothers Against Drunk Driving would agree.

I don’t care what MADD agrees with. They don’t know what the effect on total deaths would be if alcohol was criminalized and neither do you.

[doubtingthomas]

No, not if their violent crimes involved a gun with the intent to harm or kill.

I doubt that would make Mothers Against Drunk Driving feel better.

Statistically an innocent person is more likely to get killed by a drunk driver. Alcohol is more dangerous than guns.

[doubtingthomas]

They don’t know what the effect on total deaths would be if alcohol was criminalized and neither do you.

Don't Second Amendment activists make a similar argument?

Wouldn't you agree No alcohol = Less intoxicated drivers?

"Utah has lowest percentage nationally for drunk driving fatalities"
https://www.fox13now.com/2019/12/19/uta ... fatalities

[Res Ipsa]

They don’t know what the effect on total deaths would be if alcohol was criminalized and neither do you.

Don't Second Amendment activists make a similar argument?

Wouldn't you agree No alcohol = Less intoxicated drivers?

"Utah has lowest percentage nationally for drunk driving fatalities"
https://www.fox13now.com/2019/12/19/uta ... fatalities

I don’t care. A pile of bad arguments don’t magically become a good argument.

[doubtingthomas]

Don't Second Amendment activists make a similar argument?

Wouldn't you agree No alcohol = Less intoxicated drivers?

"Utah has lowest percentage nationally for drunk driving fatalities"
https://www.fox13now.com/2019/12/19/uta ... fatalities

I don’t care. A pile of bad arguments don’t magically become a good argument.

How am I making a bad argument?

[doubtingthomas]

I don’t care. A pile of bad arguments don’t magically become a good argument.

"All that alcohol going into our bodies absolutely has an effect on . In 2012, 5.9 percent of all global deaths were attributed to alcohol consumption — that's 3.3 million people dead of alcohol-related health problems, alcohol-related violence and drunken driving [source: ]. In the United States alone, 10,076 people died in alcohol-related car accidents in 2013 [source: ]. If all alcohol disappeared tomorrow, there definitely would be a global drop in deaths and violence."

https://science.howstuffworks.com/scien ... -exist.htm

"Witnesses, victims, and suspects are often intoxicated with alcohol or other drugs. Substances can increase susceptibility to false memory formation and suggestibility."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 342100066X

[Atlanticmike]

Would you feel the same about alcohol? Permanently suspending driver's licenses and making alcohol consumption illegal for those who were caught drinking and driving?

I would only support that in cases with repeat offenders who have taken a life. But alcohol doesn't cause violent behavior most of the time and it certainly doesn't cause rape. That's just something people choose to do, while blaming alcohol. I started drinking a few years ago and my wife says she actually likes me when I'm drunk.

She says I'm the sweetest man alive during those moments.

Tell that to the college women who get raped by drunk college men. Do you live in a cave?? Because alcohol causes violent behavior all the time. I've had or have so many friends over the years that don't have a relationship with one of their parents because of how alcohol changed their personality and the friend didn't want their child exposed to that side of the grandparent. Alcohol more than any other substance is probably responsible for people ending up in jail. I don't know about other professions, but in construction, alcohol absolutely ruins careers, makes people poor because of bad decisions and if you talk to a guy that's in his sixties and still swinging a hammer, 9 times out of ten the reason will be alcohol. Alcohol ruined his life and he'll never retire because he's squandered his life drinking. But for some reason you're worried about guns, constitutionally protected weapons.

[Atlanticmike]

Thanks. Don't you think that's an odd way to put the issue.

RI: I love my fellow man
DT: Alcohol and coffee cause some people suffering and death.
RI: I love my fellow man, except I have no love for my fellow man when I'm drinking a beer.

Life is complicated and people are complicated. Absolutes belong only in logic class. Well, mostly.

Does leaving a beer out on your coffee table result in a toddler’s violent death? It’s absolutely amazing to me how easily some folks resort to rhetoric because they don’t understand how levying violence either intentionally or through neglect isn’t a god-given right. The data ref gun deaths doesn’t lie. It’s a violence-using-guns issue.

Also, take the misdirection of aUtO dEaThS. If you get into an honest accident it’s unlikely you’ll face heavy consequences. Use the auto irresponsibly, or criminally, and the penalties increase. damned smooth brains …

- Doc

It's men like you that resort to rhetoric because you're scared of fellow citizens practicing their God given rights. Back when I was growing up we could carry knives into school. I carried a Swiss army knife and I would cut my finger and toenails with the little pair of scissors while sitting at my desk. If a kid did that now they would be charged with a felony!! 10 years before I was in high school, the guys would hunt in the morning then drive to school with their guns hanging in the rear window, leave it there during school. Growing up I was always around guns. No one had gun safes!! We had gun cabinets with glass fronts and no locks. Progressives are trying their hardest to bubble wrap every American so scary danger danger won't attack. And their doing that by making everyone a victim!!

What's changed is society. Liberals have succeeded at scaring the living chit out of a large portion of Americans when it comes to guns. Why?? Because the liberal/Progressive brain despises real freedom. Freedom scares them. It's all about control. They have an overwhelming desire to control everything around them. And because lazy, stupid conservatives have let the insane Progressives take over our school system, we now have a couple of generations of "victims" !! And the victim mentality needs a savior, which in our case the Progressives are making the Savior out to be people in the government. Joe Rogan has a doctor on his show with a differing opinion, the Progressives freak out. Someone on progressive Twitter says something controversial, they get banned. Your obsession with guns is because you've turned into a lover of victimhood! A hater of freedom.