Guns in America

[Res Ipsa]

I can't remember who but a few pages back on this thread, someone said once they had kids, they put a trigger lock on their gun, put it in a safe, then locked it in a closet. Holy crap!!! That explains the Progressive scaredy cat everything in life is going to hurt or kill me so I need to be a victim so people feel sorry for me attitude. You guys are the biggest sissies I've ever come across.

This explains quite a bit to me why so many children die each year from guns. I lock up my gun because I am a logical person who understands risk and the unpredictability of human behavior. Incidentally, my gun has had a trigger lock and been stored in a locked case since the day I got it. I only took the added step of insuring it was completely out of sight and not known about when there were children in my home.

The fact that you brag about lack of safety measures as signifying you are some tough guy who has to make sure he announces he's not a victim or a 'sissy' is unfortunate. It's obvious too many children are paying the price for their parents' immaturity in the area of basic safety and proper handling.

Bypassing the childish emojis and anonymous contrarian trolling that clutters up a thread is tiresome, but every once in a while you learn something. Today we learned children are dying by guns because their parents don't want to be 'sissies' who use trigger locks.

My Dad has told me dozens of stories about how he and his brothers used to break into where my grandfather kept his guns, take and shoot the guns, and put them back so grandpa wouldn't notice. When I bought the house I live in now from my parents, it came with the family guns. I had middle school age kids. I gave them to my brother and told him to keep or sell them. I didn't care. It's not that I'm afraid of guns. It's that I was afraid my kids would be just as clever as my dad and uncles.

[doubtingthomas]

DT, who here is "against guns?" That's an absolutist position that most people don't actually adopt.

That is what Doc implied when he said, "This is the level of empathy who love their guns more than they love their fellow man."

Arguing about consistency of positions on guns and alcohol is a waste of time.

I do support gun control, but in the US the laws are stricter when it comes to guns. In California the drinking and driving laws aren't strict at all when compared to illegal possession of a firearm.

According to California law, your second DUI offense is punishable by three to five years of summary probation, up to 30 months of DUI school, fines and penalties assessments from $390 to $2,000, and no less than 96 hours in jail

https://www.santabarbaracriminaldefense ... econd-dui/

California Penal Code 29800(a)(1) PC prohibits convicted felons (or persons with outstanding felony warrants) from owning, purchasing, or possessing firearms. A conviction is a felony punishable by up to 3 years in jail or prison.

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/29800/

Don't you see a double standard? I guess it is all just politics.

[doubtingthomas]

But as I told DT, I'm fully supportive of legislation that would take a DL away from known drunk drivers.

Here is what California (a state with strict guns laws) thinks

According to California law, your second DUI offense is punishable by three to five years of summary probation, up to 30 months of DUI school, fines and penalties assessments from $390 to $2,000, and no less than 96 hours in jail

https://www.santabarbaracriminaldefense ... econd-dui/

[Res Ipsa]

DT, who here is "against guns?" That's an absolutist position that most people don't actually adopt.

That is what Doc implied when he said, "This is the level of empathy who love their guns more than they love their fellow man."

Arguing about consistency of positions on guns and alcohol is a waste of time.

I do support gun control, but in the US the laws are stricter when it comes to guns. In California the drinking and driving laws aren't strict at all when compared to illegal possession of a firearm.

According to California law, your second DUI offense is punishable by three to five years of summary probation, up to 30 months of DUI school, fines and penalties assessments from $390 to $2,000, and no less than 96 hours in jail

https://www.santabarbaracriminaldefense ... econd-dui/

California Penal Code 29800(a)(1) PC prohibits convicted felons (or persons with outstanding felony warrants) from owning, purchasing, or possessing firearms. A conviction is a felony punishable by up to 3 years in jail or prison.

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/29800/

Don't you see a double standard? I guess it is all just politics.

Wow, first you made the same argument based on Washington law, but I see you wised up and deleted that. Because you were so wrong about Washington law, it was amazing. You claimed that the BAC level in Washington was .15, when it was actually .08. You cited a "possession of a dangerous weapon" law as if it applied to all firearms and claimed it was punishable by a fine of $5,000. That law applies mainly to weapons that aren't guns, with the exception of a concealed pistol, and it is a gross misdemeanor punishable by a maximum $1,000 fine.

Now you're comparing laws the prohibit felons from owning guns with DUI offenses which aren't felonies. I"m not going to waste my time verifying your new claims about laws in California, only to find you've retuned and replaced them with Montana. If you want to argue consistency, you have to compare like v. like. You aren't even close.

[Res Ipsa]

But as I told DT, I'm fully supportive of legislation that would take a DL away from known drunk drivers.

Here is what California (a state with strict guns laws) thinks

According to California law, your second DUI offense is punishable by three to five years of summary probation, up to 30 months of DUI school, fines and penalties assessments from $390 to $2,000, and no less than 96 hours in jail

https://www.santabarbaracriminaldefense ... econd-dui/

DT, you've cited the criminal penalties. License suspension is usually a separate, civil process done through the department of licensing or equivalent agency. If you want to make good arguments, you've got to take the time to make sure you know what you are talking about.

[doubtingthomas]

Now you're comparing laws the prohibit felons from owning guns with DUI offenses which aren't felonies.

In California, "any persons possessing or offering for sale 14.25 grams or more of a substance containing heroin can also be convicted of a drug felony violation (11352.5)"
https://www.laattorney.com/what-amount- ... ornia.html

[Atlanticmike]

This explains quite a bit to me why so many children die each year from guns. I lock up my gun because I am a logical person who understands risk and the unpredictability of human behavior. Incidentally, my gun has had a trigger lock and been stored in a locked case since the day I got it. I only took the added step of insuring it was completely out of sight and not known about when there were children in my home.

The fact that you brag about lack of safety measures as signifying you are some tough guy who has to make sure he announces he's not a victim or a 'sissy' is unfortunate. It's obvious too many children are paying the price for their parents' immaturity in the area of basic safety and proper handling.

Bypassing the childish emojis and anonymous contrarian trolling that clutters up a thread is tiresome, but every once in a while you learn something. Today we learned children are dying by guns because their parents don't want to be 'sissies' who use trigger locks.

My Dad has told me dozens of stories about how he and his brothers used to break into where my grandfather kept his guns, take and shoot the guns, and put them back so grandpa wouldn't notice. When I bought the house I live in now from my parents, it came with the family guns. I had middle school age kids. I gave them to my brother and told him to keep or sell them. I didn't care. It's not that I'm afraid of guns. It's that I was afraid my kids would be just as clever as my dad and uncles.

Do you lock up your poisonous household chemicals? Do you lock up your prescription medication?

My kids shoot, all the time. They're better marksman than me. Actually, I suck at shooting. My kids know how to handle guns. They don't care about guns, they just like to shoot. I have biometric safes that two of my daughters can open if there's an intruder. Do you think it's dangerous my kids have access to weapons? The guns are loaded and a round is in the chamber. Just put your finger on the biometric reader and slide your finger. Door drops in 2 seconds. Inside the safe is a very very very very very very very very scaaaaaarrryy black gun that's just laying there hoping one day it gets to kill someone!! Am I terrible dad?

[Marcus]

Do you think it's dangerous my kids have access to weapons? The guns are loaded and a round is in the chamber.

Oh dear god. Well, you can't fix stupid, clearly.

[Atlanticmike]

Do you think it's dangerous my kids have access to weapons? The guns are loaded and a round is in the chamber.

Oh dear god. Well, you can't fix stupid, clearly.

I love it. I bet you wear two mask, don't you? Because if you trigger lock a gun then put it in a safe then hide the safe, you definitely wear two mask. What the HELL!! Do your kids walk around with an acetylene torch?!?! Maybe C4?

[Marcus]

Oh dear god. Well, you can't fix stupid, clearly.

I love it. I bet you wear two mask, don't you? Because if you trigger lock a gun then put it in a safe then hide the safe, you definitely wear two mask. What the HELL!! Do your kids walk around with an acetylene torch?!?! Maybe C4?

You let your kids have access to loaded guns. The level of irresponsibility in that is breathtaking if it's true. If I had a neighbor who bragged that his minor children had access to loaded weapons in his home, I would report it. That's just unbelievable that you think you're making a case here. For a felony? yes. For freedoms? No.

But then, contrarian trolling never has been big on truthfulness, right? It's more about just disrupting. Yawn. The act is getting stale.