Guns in America

[doubtingthomas]

I don’t care. A pile of bad arguments don’t magically become a good argument.

Last question for you about this topic. Would this be a better comparison?

"A violation of California Penal Code section 30600 is a felony. Manufacturing, distributing, transporting, selling, giving away, or lending assault weapons or .50 BMG rifles is punishable by four, six, or eight years in county jail."
https://www.wklaw.com/practice-areas/as ... 0605-30610

[canpakes]

My kids shoot, all the time. They're better marksman than me. Actually, I suck at shooting. My kids know how to handle guns. They don't care about guns, they just like to shoot. I have biometric safes that two of my daughters can open if there's an intruder. Do you think it's dangerous my kids have access to weapons? The guns are loaded and a round is in the chamber. Just put your finger on the biometric reader and slide your finger. Door drops in 2 seconds. Inside the safe is a very very very very very very very very scaaaaaarrryy black gun that's just laying there hoping one day it gets to kill someone!! Am I terrible dad?

Atlanticmike, I'm assuming that your daughters can access the safe at any time, and that you don't necessarily know if they have, when they do?

Do either of your daughter's friends know about the weapons that you own? How trustworthy are those friends, and their friends?

[Res Ipsa]

I don’t care. A pile of bad arguments don’t magically become a good argument.

Last question for you about this topic. Would this be a better comparison?

"A violation of California Penal Code section 30600 is a felony. Manufacturing, distributing, transporting, selling, giving away, or lending assault weapons or .50 BMG rifles is punishable by four, six, or eight years in county jail."
https://www.wklaw.com/practice-areas/as ... 0605-30610

It makes a better argument, as the difference in penalties is more extreme. But, different laws have different purposes. An assault weapon ban has as it's purpose to limit ownership of a category of weapons that the legislature thinks presents more danger than other firearms. There's no way to "accidentally" buy or sell the prohibited weapon. DUI's involve two legal activities, but are a crime when one is done too soon after the other. And too soon depends on how much drinking over what period of time. So, it's much easier to unintentionally violate the law. So, the goal of DUI laws is to change behavior in a way that prevents driving under the influence. There is also alcoholism, which makes addiction an issue in away that it is not in the case of assault weapons. So, part of the goal of DUI laws is to help people with addiction problems get into treatment. My younger brother is an alcoholic, and a DUI is what got him into the treatment that helped him become and stay sober.

It's very hard to base an argument on inconsistency when the nature of the crime and the goal that's attempting to be achieved are so different. In each case, it's not just the magnitude of the harm -- it's the goal. Is it deterrence. Is it education and treatment? Is it punishment? That doesn't mean that the sentence ranges for each are appropriate. It just means that simply comparing the penalties doesn't tell you everything you need to know to make a judgment about consistency.

[Gadianton]

I have biometric safes that two of my daughters can open if there's an intruder. Do you think it's dangerous my kids have access to weapons? The guns are loaded and a round is in the chamber. Just put your finger on the biometric reader and slide your finger. Door drops in 2 seconds.

Sure, there are some scenarios where this might work out, but there are plenty where it won't, or it will backfire. Remember the video you posted of that guy who pulled a snubby from his front pocket and shot the dude coming up from behind? Good thing that gun wasn't inside in a safe.

[Binger]

I have biometric safes that two of my daughters can open if there's an intruder. Do you think it's dangerous my kids have access to weapons? The guns are loaded and a round is in the chamber. Just put your finger on the biometric reader and slide your finger. Door drops in 2 seconds.

Sure, there are some scenarios where this might work out, but there are plenty where it won't, or it will backfire. Remember the video you posted of that guy who pulled a snubby from his front pocket and shot the dude coming up from behind? Good thing that gone wasn't inside in a safe.

Gadianton, have you ever shot a snubnosed revolver?

[Atlanticmike]

I have biometric safes that two of my daughters can open if there's an intruder. Do you think it's dangerous my kids have access to weapons? The guns are loaded and a round is in the chamber. Just put your finger on the biometric reader and slide your finger. Door drops in 2 seconds.

Sure, there are some scenarios where this might work out, but there are plenty where it won't, or it will backfire. Remember the video you posted of that guy who pulled a snubby from his front pocket and shot the dude coming up from behind? Good thing that gun wasn't inside in a safe.

Thank you for giving me a laugh this morning. If I'm remembering the video you're talking about correctly, it's the one with the guy and his family walking up to the front door of their home and he sees a guy with a gun coming up from behind, correct? If so, this is the funny part, are you telling me you think people walk around with safes in their pocket and they have to unlock them so they can shoot the bad guy! This is what cracks me up about PROGRESSIVES, why didn't you reference one of the videos where a kid had time to shoot an intruder? Is it because those videos are an inconvenient truth that proves your PROGRESSIVE narrative wrong?

This is the huuuuge difference between the healthy conservative brain that enjoys freedom and the sickly PROGRESSIVE brain that despises freedom. We, the positive attitude conservatives, think ALL citizens deserve the right to protect their loved ones, while the negative, everyone is a victim of everything including inanimate objects PROGRESSIVES, think the law breakers, the thiefs, the robbers, the molesters deserve to be understood also. K Graham made that clear a few pages back when he said the person breaking in a house could be having a bad day!! Well, if someone breaks into Kevin's house, he can start a therapy session with the intruder and try to heal his pain. Me and my family, we'll heal the intruders pain also, but it won't be with therapy, and our method only takes a few seconds to heal the intruders pain! An after we heal him, some very nice people will come to pick him up and give him a ride for free to the morgue.

[Atlanticmike]

I have biometric safes that two of my daughters can open if there's an intruder. Do you think it's dangerous my kids have access to weapons? The guns are loaded and a round is in the chamber. Just put your finger on the biometric reader and slide your finger. Door drops in 2 seconds.

Sure, there are some scenarios where this might work out, but there are plenty where it won't, or it will backfire. Remember the video you posted of that guy who pulled a snubby from his front pocket and shot the dude coming up from behind? Good thing that gun wasn't inside in a safe.

https://youtu.be/bAk0FNH7RS4
Here ya go! Since you and K Graham think homeowners should sit down and have a therapy session with thief's, here's a video where a young boy protected his father with an AR15 when three masked teenagers broke into their home. All three masked thief's ended up dead . That's correct! Go ahead, keep telling everyone homeowners won't have the chance to arm themselves during a home invasion because in your mind, thieves have a super power that allows them to be 10x faster than anyone else. . You're WRONG! And I've supplied numerous videos that have proved you're wrong.

Gadianton! Should the son in the video allowed the intruders near his father? Hold on hold on!! Let me answer for you and K Graham. Atlanticmike, the son should've tied the bed sheets together, secured one end to the bed post, then both of them should've rappelled down the side of the house, walked to the neighbors and called 911. Am I close?!?!

[Marcus]

Mike would be criticized by virtually any gun instructor too. His carelessness is the reason why children are dying....

Totally agree. It's insane that anyone would even think to argue that children should have unfettered access to loaded weapons.

Atlanticmike, I'm assuming that your daughters can access the safe at any time, and that you don't necessarily know if they have, when they do?

Do either of your daughter's friends know about the weapons that you own? How trustworthy are those friends, and their friends?

More outrageousness from mikey, with multiple sillinesses in a row, but still no answers from the guy allowing his kids access to loaded weapons.

It makes you wonder if the outrageousness is really believed, or if the motivation is just continued disruption of conversation? It seems odd someone would be motivated to spend their time trying to destroy something like a discussion forum, but we do have plenty of evidence that at least few like that exist. Sadly.

[Binger]

Totally agree. It's insane that anyone would even think to argue that children should have unfettered access to loaded weapons.

Atlanticmike, I'm assuming that your daughters can access the safe at any time, and that you don't necessarily know if they have, when they do?

Do either of your daughter's friends know about the weapons that you own? How trustworthy are those friends, and their friends?

More outrageousness from mikey, with multiple sillinesses in a row, but still no answers from the guy allowing his kids access to loaded weapons.

It makes you wonder if the outrageousness is really believed, or if the motivation is just continued disruption of conversation? It seems odd someone would be motivated to spend their time trying to destroy something like a discussion forum, but we do have plenty of evidence that at least few like that exist. Sadly.

All of my kids are adults.

[Atlanticmike]

Totally agree. It's insane that anyone would even think to argue that children should have unfettered access to loaded weapons.

Atlanticmike, I'm assuming that your daughters can access the safe at any time, and that you don't necessarily know if they have, when they do?

Do either of your daughter's friends know about the weapons that you own? How trustworthy are those friends, and their friends?

More outrageousness from mikey, with multiple sillinesses in a row, but still no answers from the guy allowing his kids access to loaded weapons.

It makes you wonder if the outrageousness is really believed, or if the motivation is just continued disruption of conversation? It seems odd someone would be motivated to spend their time trying to destroy something like a discussion forum, but we do have plenty of evidence that at least few like that exist. Sadly.

Yes!!! Yes!!! Thank you so much for writing this post, honestly, thank you! Because you, more than anyone else canpakes, are able to show how PROGRESSIVES think a differing opinion is "continued disruption" or a differing opinion "destroys" a discussion board. That is you!!! That is what you believe without a doubt!! That's how a cult member thinks! Thank you for proving my point! To you, a gun is an evil object that has the ability to sprout legs, start running around and shooting people whenever it chooses. That's why you put on a trigger lock then in a safe then locked in a closet. In your warped world, children walk around with acetylene torches on their back, waiting for their parents to leave so they can turn the gas on and start melting the metal lock and retrieve the evil gun!! On the other hand, I see a gun as a tool that is used by people to save lives. In your warped since of reality, you would be happier if women or young children just give themselves over to home Invaders, let them do what they want to their victims. Possibly agree to join in on a therapy session. I guess in your PROGRESSIVE world, atleast no one died!! But for me and my family!! We choose to fight! We don't cower in corners and if found give ourselves over to robbers and thieves and rapist! If you Progressives want to cower in corners, fine by me!! But you're not going to make my family become cowardly, milk livered, gutless members of your PROGRESSIVE cult!

The son in the video that protected his dad by shooting all three home intruders with a high capacity magazine, what did he do wrong in your opinion??