Marcus wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:17 pm
Binger wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:11 pm
Disrupt what?
Can trolls also assimilate, submit and comply? Can trolls also facilitate?
Take for example, attempting to initiate actual assault in real life with a poster on the board, is that disruptive or is that assimilation? If the moderators and admin tolerate or encourage invitations for in real life assault, or if they allow, encourage and participate in insults, are they the trolls or is the person that does not assimilate, submit and comply with the assault and insults the troll? Who gets to decide?
Marcus, you seem to think that any form of rejection of the dominant ideology and accompanying insults, either by aggression, mockery or dialogue, is trolling.
It's not clear what you mean, bingy, please explain more about how internet communication and trolls work.
Sure. Largely, they work like you work. The content of their posts is not as relevant as the reaction to their posts. Since the rules are interpreted and applied using metaphors, let's just apply a sports cliché, if you do not mind. A troll, either on the gridiron, the pitch or the hardcourt, is the role player whose intent is to subtly pester the opposition and not get caught for doing anything too bad. No yellow flags, yellow cards, or personal fouls. But, they are trying to instigate a major reaction from the opposition that would generate a yellow flag, yellow card, personal foul which would result in an award for being a victim of the reaction.
That is what is going on here. You like to think that Atlanticmike is trolling, or that I am trolling. Certainly, at times, that is true. That is not universally true. Ironically, there is a request to build the board better or to not tear it down (metaphors again) and this conversation is an extension of that metaphor. In order to blend in or assimilate, one could or should, just insult the everloving hell out of Daniel C. Peterson, Trump voters and anyone that does not comply with the accepted ideology. Similarly, one could just accept those conditions and be quiet or lurk. In order to not be disruptive, one could either accept Docs' epithets or never say anything that would get Doc's attention. One could just go along with panny's moderation or twisting/reversing of the content and fit right in. For those that agree with you, Doc and panny, that would not be trolling at all.
Addressing your trolling, insults and conditions with force or even aggression is not something you like. If someone creates a fake persona that goes along with the ideology but in a lampooning kind of way (see early Cultellus posts that are mostly gone) you do not like that either. It is no different than a poster/lurker not liking your trolling and insults and having to choose whether to just leave, or tell you to pound sound. Typically, people do not stick around to smash back at the status quo.
Why is this relevant here? Easy. There is a common connection to Mormonism. There is a common thread in Terrestrial related to the apologists, where this board is a proud anti-apologist public oversight crew. And in this process, they have weaved in a bizarre hostile left wing goon posse to defend the board and any infiltration by anyone that is not willing to be as rabid about the apologists and Trump as them!!!
When someone comes along and says, hey, this is interesting, but damn, my mom goes to church still and she voted for Trump, maybe y'all are wrong about her being cult-believing serial killer - all y'all unleash the goons and trolls, get a troll moderator, get rid of sock puppets, start a new sacred forum, split threads like unwashed fine hair and ban people for reporting posts. And, that is all kind of interesting, frankly. Very, very interesting.