Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Gunnar]

… including creating and promulgating disinformation designed to discredit Trump's political opponents.

… and, while attempting to withhold aid and weapons to Ukraine unless Ukraine cooperated with that disingenuous aim.

Yeah! That too!

[ajax18]

Let's say a world war really does break out (which is feasible) and the U.S. ends up reinstituting the draft. IMHO we'd be fkd good and proper.

But don't go by me.

I think you're right. What would they fight with? Dildos and used starbucks mugs?

[ajax18]

It is unfair and defamatory of you to claim that Biden is doing nothing.

Unfair because there's nothing he can do?

It is far more than Trump would have done had he legitimately won the election.

So why did Putin wait until Trump left office to do this? He waited because Democrats are weak and do not understand the doctrine of Peace through strength. Your assumption is that if we're nice to our enemies, if we go and apologize for American imperialism, that Iran is going to behave better, North Korea, Russia, China, the Taliban. It's a fundamental error in Democrat thinking and foreign policy. It's what Biden has done throughout his 50 year career in Washington that has led to this including the debacle evacuation of Afghanistan, not what he's doing right now. Trump was volatile and unpredictable. After the targeted assasinations he pulled off in the Middle East these bad actors knew not to test his patience. And yet, Trump ultimately kept us out of war in spite of his nationalistic and unapologetic tough rhetoric with China, radical Islamic Extremism, and even Russia.

[Gunnar]

The right is currently disenfranchised. It doesn't matter what we think much less what we might want. I personally don't want to live under the control of Putin. But I don't want to live under Bernie Sanders either. Explain to me exactly why I should risk life and limb to support either of these would be communist dictators.

The right is currently disenfranchised?! That is the most outrageously misinformed and ignorant projection I have ever seen from you! On the contrary, the right is currently trying mightily to insure that in all future elections only the right is enfranchised by passing laws to deliberately make it harder for anyone opposing them to vote, and even to permit conservative controlled legislatures to overturn elections and the popular will whenever they don't like the results.

[Gunnar]

It is unfair and defamatory of you to claim that Biden is doing nothing.

Unfair because there's nothing he can do?

It is far more than Trump would have done had he legitimately won the election.

So why did Putin wait until Trump left office to do this? He waited because Democrats are weak and do not understand the doctrine of Peace through strength. Your assumption is that if we're nice to our enemies, if we go and apologize for American imperialism, that Iran is going to behave better, North Korea, Russia, China, the Taliban. It's a fundamental error in Democrat thinking and foreign policy. It's what Biden has done throughout his 50 year career in Washington that has led to this including the debacle evacuation of Afghanistan, not what he's doing right now. Trump was volatile and unpredictable. After the targeted assasinations he pulled off in the Middle East these bad actors knew not to test his patience. And yet, Trump ultimately kept us out of war in spite of his nationalistic and unapologetic tough rhetoric with China, radical Islamic Extremism, and even Russia.

The fact remains that your hero, Trump, openly and effusively praised Putin for his actions, and has been on Putin's side all along, as conclusively documented by previous posts in this thread. My guess is that while Putin hoped Trump would remain in power or somehow be reinstated, he decided he didn't want to wait any longer to implement his designs and desires regarding Ukraine and adding it to his domains. There is very little reasonable doubt that Trump would be trying to somehow dismiss Putin's actions or even approve of them right now were he still in power.

Just what do you think Trump would have done under these circumstances?

[Binger]

Gunnar has new tears for Ukraine suddenly. Biden has been using it like an ATM and offering passes for Oligarchs to wipe they ass with the country, and now these tears. Mmmmkay. I see you crying, Gunnar.

[Gunnar]

As already mentioned, it seems pretty clear Putin is probably not going to stop short of acquiring all of Ukraine, plus, eventually, all the other nations that have broken away from what was previously the U.S.S.R. I have little doubt if Putin gets away with this, it won't be much longer before China will move to acquire Taiwan by military force. I would not be surprised that these events will motivate North Korea to think they can get away with breaking the Armistice and invading South Korea again, to force their reunion by military conquest.

[Jersey Girl]

As already mentioned, it seems pretty clear Putin is probably not going to stop short of acquiring all of Ukraine, plus, eventually, all the other nations that have broken away from what was previously the U.S.S.R. I have little doubt if Putin gets away with this, it won't be much longer before China will move to acquire Taiwan by military force. I would not be surprised that these events will motivate North Korea to think they can get away with breaking the Armistice and invading South Korea again, to force their reunion by military conquest.

EXACTLY.

[Binger]

As already mentioned, it seems pretty clear Putin is probably not going to stop short of acquiring all of Ukraine, plus, eventually, all the other nations that have broken away from what was previously the U.S.S.R. I have little doubt if Putin gets away with this, it won't be much longer before China will move to acquire Taiwan by military force. I would not be surprised that these events will motivate North Korea to think they can get away with breaking the Armistice and invading South Korea again, to force their reunion by military conquest.

No crap? Seriously. No crap? You came to this conclusion today? Uh, this has been the standard conversation about sucking these despots off. Congrats Gunnar. Nice to have you join us.

[Gunnar]

No crap? Seriously. No crap? You came to this conclusion today? Uh, this has been the standard conversation about sucking these despots off. Congrats Gunnar. Nice to have you join us.

No! I have long been sure that this was the ultimate aim of these despots. Putin's recent moves only make it more probable than before that they will all attempt and, perhaps, even succeed in realizing their ultimate ambitions. My only surprise (if any) is that it has taken them this long to attempt it.