Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Chap wrote:How do you feel about the real Ukrainians resisting the real Russian invaders?
Ajax wrote:Inspired. These Ukranians died for it. The words of the Ukranian reporter on Laura Ingraham last nigjt were the samw, "This is our land."
And they were willing to fight even if they knew they were going to lose. Even just a chance at freedom was worth it.
Ajax slightly earlier in the day wrote:Putin knows this too. That's why he invaded. As far as I'm concerned it's just one socialist/communist killing another.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:27 pm
Chap wrote:How do you feel about the real Ukrainians resisting the real Russian invaders?
Ajax wrote:Inspired. These Ukranians died for it. The words of the Ukranian reporter on Laura Ingraham last nigjt were the samw, "This is our land."
And they were willing to fight even if they knew they were going to lose. Even just a chance at freedom was worth it.
Ajax slightly earlier in the day wrote:Putin knows this too. That's why he invaded. As far as I'm concerned it's just one socialist/communist killing another.
Does he really think that either Russia or Ukraine is a socialist country, let alone a communist one?

... I suppose it is possible that he is really that ignorant. OK. That's just how it is.
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Chap wrote:
Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:30 pm

Does he really think that either Russia or Ukraine is a socialist country, let alone a communist one?

... I suppose it is possible that he is really that ignorant. OK. That's just how it is.
Should we assume, from this comment, that you do not consider either of those countries (Russia, Ukraine) to be a socialist or communist country? Please tell us, as a point of reference going forward, what you consider to be the political and economic system of the two countries.

We get that you want to stick metaphorical knives in people that don't belong to your club. In this conversation, let's make an attempt at seeing where there are actual differences and actual common ground by including your simple assessment or description of the political and economic systems of the warring nations.
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Finally Germany gets the message:

Germany to set up €100bn fund to boost its military strength
Chancellor Olaf Scholz says urgency of Ukraine crisis has forced decision to increase defence spending


I do not make this post to sneer at Germany's previous reluctance to spend money on armaments, given its history, a history of which many Germans remain acutely aware. But the fact that this reluctance has now been overcome shows how grave the situation in Europe is becoming.
In a historic announcement to parliament, the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, has said a fund of €100bn (£85bn) will be set up immediately to boost the strength of the country’s armed forces, as he also announced a sustained increase in defence spending over the coming years.

Scholz admitted that the urgency of the Ukraine crisis had forced Germany’s decision to invest in the military, telling the emergency session of the Bundestag: “It is clear that we must invest significantly more in the security of our country, in order to protect our freedom and democracy.”

He called it “Germany’s historical responsibility” to ensure that Vladimir Putin “does not turn the clocks back”.

The move came after the government made the surprise announcement on Saturday that it would be sending weapons and other supplies to Ukraine, including 1,000 anti-tank weapons, 500 surface-to-air Stinger missiles and thousands of gallons of petrol.

The decision marks a historical break with Germany’s postwar pledge to not export weapons to conflict zones.

Long-term defence spending is to be increased year on year by more than 2% of GDP, he said. It is currently about 1.5% with Germany having been under growing pressure from its Nato allies, in particular the US, to increase the amount for years. The existence of the special fund should be anchored in Germany’s constitution, Scholz said, in order to ensure it remained a guarantee beyond the life of the current parliament.

Germany has long been criticised by its allies for its resistance to increasing its defence spending. This position has been reinforced by a strong pacifist sentiment among the electorate linked to Germany’s Nazi past. In recent weeks, the country was also criticised for having not offered enough material support, in particular refusing to deliver lethal weapons to assist Ukraine to defend itself against Russia.

A turning point came on Saturday evening with the government’s surprise announcement on weapons to Ukraine. It has also lifted certain restrictions on German-manufactured weapons being sent to conflict zones from third countries, such as Estonia and the Netherlands.

The announcement to parliament was greeted with relief and surprise, with Scholz receiving a standing ovation on Sunday morning, even as some MPs, mainly from the the Left party as well as the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), groaned in disapproval.

During his half-hour address, Scholz said Putin’s decision to launch a war “marked a turning point in the history of our continent”. The military conflict would be a lengthy one, he said, stressing that he saw it as “Putin’s war” and “not a war of the Russian people”. He said the conflict would alter the world and called it “a catastrophe for Ukraine”, but said it would “also prove to be a catastrophe for Russia”.

Scholz issued five “mandates for action”, including: the delivery of weapons to Ukraine, which he said “can be the only answer to Putin’s aggression”; supporting sanctions against Russian interests, including the suspension of the Swift payment system; ensuring the war does not spill over into other countries, citing the importance of Nato’s article 5; a significant increase in German military spending as well as other strategic changes, including an effort to decrease German dependence on Russian gas, and the construction of two terminals allowing the import of liquid petroleum gas in the ports of Brunsbüttel and Wilhelmshaven.

This follows his decision last week to suspend approval of the gas pipeline Nord Stream 2, in effect killing the multibillion-euro project.

Finally, Scholz said he was determined to keep up the diplomatic effort. “We need as much diplomacy as possible, without being naïve,” he said, adding that Germany would not refuse to hold talks with Russia. “Even in this extreme situation it is the job of diplomacy to keep open channels of communication,” he said. “Anything else would be irresponsible.”
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Chap wrote:
Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:59 pm
Finally Germany gets the message:

Germany to set up €100bn fund to boost its military strength
Chancellor Olaf Scholz says urgency of Ukraine crisis has forced decision to increase defence spending


I do not make this post to sneer at Germany's previous reluctance to spend money on armaments, given its history, a history of which many Germans remain acutely aware. But the fact that this reluctance has now been overcome shows ho grave the situation in Europe is becoming.
In a historic announcement to parliament, the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, has said a fund of €100bn (£85bn) will be set up immediately to boost the strength of the country’s armed forces, as he also announced a sustained increase in defence spending over the coming years.

Scholz admitted that the urgency of the Ukraine crisis had forced Germany’s decision to invest in the military, telling the emergency session of the Bundestag: “It is clear that we must invest significantly more in the security of our country, in order to protect our freedom and democracy.”

He called it “Germany’s historical responsibility” to ensure that Vladimir Putin “does not turn the clocks back”.

The move came after the government made the surprise announcement on Saturday that it would be sending weapons and other supplies to Ukraine, including 1,000 anti-tank weapons, 500 surface-to-air Stinger missiles and thousands of gallons of petrol.

The decision marks a historical break with Germany’s postwar pledge to not export weapons to conflict zones.

Long-term defence spending is to be increased year on year by more than 2% of GDP, he said. It is currently about 1.5% with Germany having been under growing pressure from its Nato allies, in particular the US, to increase the amount for years. The existence of the special fund should be anchored in Germany’s constitution, Scholz said, in order to ensure it remained a guarantee beyond the life of the current parliament.

Germany has long been criticised by its allies for its resistance to increasing its defence spending. This position has been reinforced by a strong pacifist sentiment among the electorate linked to Germany’s Nazi past. In recent weeks, the country was also criticised for having not offered enough material support, in particular refusing to deliver lethal weapons to assist Ukraine to defend itself against Russia.

A turning point came on Saturday evening with the government’s surprise announcement on weapons to Ukraine. It has also lifted certain restrictions on German-manufactured weapons being sent to conflict zones from third countries, such as Estonia and the Netherlands.

The announcement to parliament was greeted with relief and surprise, with Scholz receiving a standing ovation on Sunday morning, even as some MPs, mainly from the the Left party as well as the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), groaned in disapproval.

During his half-hour address, Scholz said Putin’s decision to launch a war “marked a turning point in the history of our continent”. The military conflict would be a lengthy one, he said, stressing that he saw it as “Putin’s war” and “not a war of the Russian people”. He said the conflict would alter the world and called it “a catastrophe for Ukraine”, but said it would “also prove to be a catastrophe for Russia”.

Scholz issued five “mandates for action”, including: the delivery of weapons to Ukraine, which he said “can be the only answer to Putin’s aggression”; supporting sanctions against Russian interests, including the suspension of the Swift payment system; ensuring the war does not spill over into other countries, citing the importance of Nato’s article 5; a significant increase in German military spending as well as other strategic changes, including an effort to decrease German dependence on Russian gas, and the construction of two terminals allowing the import of liquid petroleum gas in the ports of Brunsbüttel and Wilhelmshaven.

This follows his decision last week to suspend approval of the gas pipeline Nord Stream 2, in effect killing the multibillion-euro project.

Finally, Scholz said he was determined to keep up the diplomatic effort. “We need as much diplomacy as possible, without being naïve,” he said, adding that Germany would not refuse to hold talks with Russia. “Even in this extreme situation it is the job of diplomacy to keep open channels of communication,” he said. “Anything else would be irresponsible.”
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Geez, Russkies. At least don’t make it so obvious.

This tank just went out of its way to roll over a moving passenger vehicle.

https://Twitter.com/lazy_booiiii/status ... 77922?s=10
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Something is wrong with Putin. No, not the obvious. The man cannot breathe.

I know there was a time when his cabinet (or whatever they call it) came down with Covid and Putin isolated. I never heard a report that Putin himself got Covid. Just watch a few minutes or so of this speech. He struggles for breath throughout the entire thing.

Vladimir Putin's Speech on Ukraine, and Recognition of Donbass - Feb 21 2022 - English Subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-ZdTGLmZo&t=513s


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canpakes wrote:
Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:16 pm
Geez, Russkies. At least don’t make it so obvious.

This tank just went out of its way to roll over a moving passenger vehicle.

https://Twitter.com/lazy_booiiii/status ... 77922?s=10
Hey dummy. That was a Ukranian tank driving over a Ukranian citizen.

This is a propaganda war, and we are all pawns.
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canpakes wrote:
Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:16 pm
Geez, Russkies. At least don’t make it so obvious.

This tank just went out of its way to roll over a moving passenger vehicle.

https://Twitter.com/lazy_booiiii/status ... 77922?s=10
Don't forget to subscribe to Suchomimus who has that video, the bridge one, and many more.

By the way, isn't it interesting how the suffering of the Ukrainian people is a bunch of fake news and a "propaganda war" for Binger as their entire country is advanced upon by the second largest army in the world, but a band of unhinged QAnon truckers who were clogging up a highway over their beliefs in conspiracy theories was the human tragedy of the decade? The people of Ottawa just had to let these truckers ruin life for them because the truckers decided to spout off on a bunch of obvious lies indefinitely in the middle of their neighborhood. There was nothing the occupying "truckers" could do wrong. No news about them, no matter how invented could be faulted. So far, for Binger, nothing inflicted upon the Ukrainians merit any sympathy.
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Binger wrote:
Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:27 pm
canpakes wrote:
Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:16 pm
Geez, Russkies. At least don’t make it so obvious.

This tank just went out of its way to roll over a moving passenger vehicle.

https://Twitter.com/lazy_booiiii/status ... 77922?s=10
Hey dummy. That was a Ukranian tank driving over a Ukranian citizen.

This is a propaganda war, and we are all pawns.

Nope.

Nice try at propagating your own disinformation, though.
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