Universal Rule #1

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Re: Universal Rule #1

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[MODERATOR NOTE: Philo Sofee, you are consistently violating Universal Rules #1 and #2. They read:
  1. Everyone is welcome. Every opinion is welcome.* Therefore, do not "de-invite" anyone or suggest that they go elsewhere. Please do not do this via e-mail or private message, either.
  2. Do not post faux moderator comments. To this end, do not use red-colored font. Any message falsely portrayed as being from a moderator will be deleted.

Please stop doing that. Disapproving of Atlanticmike's conduct does not give you a free pass to violate the rules.]
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Re: Universal Rule #1

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:10 am
[MODERATOR NOTE: Philo Sofee, you are consistently violating Universal Rules #1 and #2. They read:
  1. Everyone is welcome. Every opinion is welcome.* Therefore, do not "de-invite" anyone or suggest that they go elsewhere. Please do not do this via e-mail or private message, either.
  2. Do not post faux moderator comments. To this end, do not use red-colored font. Any message falsely portrayed as being from a moderator will be deleted.

Please stop doing that. Disapproving of Atlanticmike's conduct does not give you a free pass to violate the rules.]
Aaaaaaand THIS is what you're reprimanding. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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K Graham wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:14 am
Aaaaaaand THIS is what you're reprimanding. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Was I right or was I wrong?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:18 am
K Graham wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:14 am
Aaaaaaand THIS is what you're reprimanding. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Was I right or was I wrong?
I just think it is funny you have veteran posters spilling their guts out begging you to help do something to save the forum from trolls, and when you finally show up, you do the troll's bidding.

But hey. You do you.

ETA there is a difference between being allowed to post and being "welcomed." I doubt AM feels "welcomed" by anyone here but you.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:18 am
K Graham wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:14 am
Aaaaaaand THIS is what you're reprimanding. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Was I right or was I wrong?
It depends on whom you want to see hanging around here months from now, a horde of 4chan-style alt-right trolls, or one of the more well known and well liked personalities on the (post-)Mormon internet.
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Re: Universal Rule #1

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Kishkumen wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:22 am
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:18 am

Was I right or was I wrong?
It depends on whom you want to see hanging around here months from now, a horde of 4chan-style alt-right trolls, or one of the more well known and well liked personalities on the (post-)Mormon internet.
I'm getting the sense, as I have for years now, that Shades doesn't really pay much attention to the people here. We already know he doesn't really engage discussions beyond some random quip. He has his forum and its immutable rules and that's all he needs. How the board members actually feel or think about what's happening to the community here, doesn't appear to matter. We've raised issues for years, he's not interested in making the forum better.

ETA: I think Shades need to ask himself, next time he has a mid-life crisis and he wants people to hear him out to give him meaningful feedback, does he really want to come to the board only to find trolls?
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K Graham wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:25 am
I'm getting the sense, as I have for years now, that Shades doesn't really pay much attention to the people here. We already know he doesn't really engage discussions beyond some random quip. He has his forum and its immutable rules and that's all he needs. How the board members actually feel or think about what's happening to the community here, doesn't appear to matter. We've raised issues for years, he's not interested in making the forum better.
My understanding is that he has a lot on his plate right now, and I am not too burned up about this situation. That said, it is a serious question. We need to think about what kind of environment we want around here—a board empty of any real discussion or interaction that is dominated by meme-dumping morons or what we had before they arrived—a kind of discussion and community that we have enjoyed, warts and all.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Re: Universal Rule #1

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Kishkumen wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:30 am
K Graham wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:25 am
I'm getting the sense, as I have for years now, that Shades doesn't really pay much attention to the people here. We already know he doesn't really engage discussions beyond some random quip. He has his forum and its immutable rules and that's all he needs. How the board members actually feel or think about what's happening to the community here, doesn't appear to matter. We've raised issues for years, he's not interested in making the forum better.
My understanding is that he has a lot on his plate right now, and I am not too burned up about this situation. That said, it is a serious question. We need to think about what kind of environment we want around here—a board empty of any real discussion or interaction that is dominated by meme-dumping morons or what we had before they arrived—a kind of discussion and community that we have enjoyed, warts and all.
He probably does have a lot on his plate now, but he's owned this board for many, many years, and he'd rarely, if ever, participate in discussions beyond calls to demand he address something. I'm with you on this. In the summer of 2019 I had a meltdown over this same thing when subgenius and Doc threw out personal attacks on my wife who was at that time, fighting for her life after being diagnosed with Leukemia. Subgenius ended up leaving (we think) after the forum changed servers, and Doc and I have since made amends in private.
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K Graham wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:34 am
He probably does have a lot on his plate now, but he's owned this board for many, many years, and he'd rarely, if ever, participate in discussions beyond calls to demand he address something.
That's primarily because A) most of you beat me to it, and B) most of you say it much better than I could've.
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[MODERATOR NOTE: Philo Sofee, you are consistently violating Universal Rules #1 and #2
Shades, seriously dude, have you looked at spirit prison lately? it's a rolling assembly line of violations from binger and A-Mike. And deep down you must know that the violations are intentional. You must be able to utilize common sense and see that at his near best, A-Mike's new threads are quick links to material he has no intention of discussing. Do you really think so low of your three moderators that they spend hours a day splitting off rule violations, moving things around, and endless discussion of how to moderate with kids gloves so that posters mostly trolling don't feel unwelcome?

But then, heaven forbid, Philo breaks a universal rule and the red ink must flow for two paragraphs.
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