Boosie Speaks Truth About Transgender Swimmer

[Moksha]

where do they get this? She’s 5’8”, 132 lbs.

The research department at Breitbart (meaning they made it up).

[K Graham]

Kelsie Vaughn

A former swimmer's thoughts on Lia:

None of you cared about women's sports before you had a "reason" to. Beyond that though, Lia has not dominated this sport. Nor have any other trans athletes. She placed 5th and 8th in other events at that meet. (Also the 500 free sucks and I've even seen many a MAN flop out of the water following that event. I give mad props to whoever does this event. I purposely sandbaged it so I would never have to do it again)

"But her wing span and height!! THE BIOLOGICAL ADVANTAGES!!!!!!"

Michael Phelps has a longer than average wingspan, a larger web in this feet and hands, hyperextended joints (main advantage in his ankles), and produced less lactic acid than other athletes. No one complained about his advantages and he (more or less) dominated his sport. Some women are tall also, but if it's a tall woman AFAB athlete no one yells that they should compete with males. If you go after one athletes body you have to go for them all. If you only go after Lia or other trans female athletes, you're transphobic. Furthermore where do we draw the line with "natural advantages"?

"But she AMAB!!!"

So? They had to test her hormone levels before she swam. She had no more testosterone than what was outside a female limit. Her muscle mass began decreasing at 3-6 months. Then I also pose the question to you, what about intersex people? She took 2 years off of school to make sure she could participate in this sport. Let her swim.

NCAA let her compete. Be mad at NCAA, not Lia. She's a person not a political pawn. Even USA Swimming says they have no problem with Lia representing them in Paris for 2024 Olympics as a woman athlete. Furthermore, watch what you say. Someone you know who's listening to your HATEFUL rhetoric probably loves someone who identifies as trans or queer as well as an athlete.

She's the first transgender athlete to win a division 1 NCAA title. If "men" are the threat to sports why has it taken this long for someone trans to win a title? The REAL threat to women's sports is not other women (INCLUDING TRANSFEMALE ATHLETES). It's the lack of funding, protection, and strong female leadership. It's also the rampant sexual harassment and unequal pay. So think about that.

PS. I'm literally looking at her times right now and you can tell how she's had to work hard to get her times back. Her 500 free times are no where near consistent, and her other times are really scattered too. Looking at times of other high ranking swimmers Lia fares about equal to them. Just so you know...

[Xenophon]

Steuss you've got a lot of thoughts that I think echo mine. It is kind of interesting to watch the rest of the world begin to grapple with how to appropriately handle trans athletes when the powerlifting community has been dealing with it for quite a while. And if you want to to watch some actual abuses of the system you should check out some of your local meets. It was not totally uncommon to see some people ACTUALLY gaming the system.

I think there are still some conversations and clarifications to be had with NCAA but frankly I think posts like the OP make that conversation harder, not easier. For those of us that want to see members of the trans community able to participate but also want to ensure those born biologically women are not excluded, the transphobic side of this conversation makes it very difficult. By lying about athletes stats/times, misrepresenting NCAA's position on the matter, using the topic for political gain, etc. I'm left with just keeping my mouth shut lest I be roped in with their position. There are legitimate conversations to be had but it isn't from Boosie or Breitbart or *Insert Talking Head Here*... they are with the organization and their athletes. And you're right Kevin, absolutely anyone that is attacking Lia instead of the system has shamefully jumped the shark.

There is another angle to this that I think is often overlooked. Basically everyone that is competing at that level is a genetic freak. Yes, there is a ton of time put into the study and perfection of the sport but there is also so much unbelievable raw talent and athletic proficiency that factors in. Are we to say that Michael Phelps can't compete because of his genetic advantage, the mans built like a dolphin. Anyone who has ever had the pleasure of playing with/against someone at this level of competition can attest to just how far ahead they are compared to the rest of us. Never in the history of sports have all competitors been created equal and sometimes whether you win or lose is based purely on the luck of your competitive draw. Back in high school and college both my wife and I lost events where our performances were better than ones where we won, purely because of all sorts of other elements that factor into the nature of competition.

[Res Ipsa]

I think this interview posted on WebMd gives a pretty clear picture of the issue. The potential for “advantage” varies from sport to sport, and so the bodies that set the rules for each sport at each level of competition are in the best position to make the decisions.

https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/ ... advantages

[Mrs. Atlanticmike]

I'll have to let my right-wing friend know that. I learned about this from him. He came out in the morning a few days ago all spun up over it. 6'4", 225 pounds.

where do they get this? She’s 5’8”, 132 lbs.

Wrong!

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[K Graham]

There's conflicting reports about her height. Most news outlets report 6'4" but she doesn't seem quite that tall. Another said heights aren't listed but she looks to be about 6'1" and another sports site said 5'8" which seems too short to me after watching her interview. The only way she's 5'8" is if the person interviewing her was 4'8.

The point about her height is irrelevant though since there are women swimmers just as tall or even taller and no one complains about being disadvantaged over height or weight. They're complaining now because they're transphobic, period. They think she has some hormonal advantage, even though these women are all tested to make sure their testosterone levels are normal. At the end of the day they're just disgusted that someone with a penis is in the same pool with them and they're making excuses for losing.

[Mrs. Atlanticmike]

There's conflicting reports about her height. Most news outlets report 6'4" but she doesn't seem quite that tall. Another said heights aren't listed but she looks to be about 6'1" and another sports site said 5'8" which seems too short to me after watching her interview. The only way she's 5'8" is if the person interviewing her was 4'8.

The point about her height is irrelevant though since there are women swimmers just as tall or even taller and no one complains about being disadvantaged over height or weight. They're complaining now because they're transphobic, period. They think she has some hormonal advantage, even though these women are all tested to make sure their testosterone levels are normal. At the end of the day they're just disgusted that someone with a penis is in the same pool with them and they're making excuses for losing.

The female in the middle is Emma Weyant and she stands 5'8" tall and her weight is 132lbs. The guy to her right is 6'4" tall and I do not know his weight.

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[K Graham]

The female in the middle is Emma Weyant and she stands 5'8" tall and her weight is 132lbs. The guy to her right is 6'4" tall and I do not know his weight.

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The female to the left is standing straight up on an elevated podium of at least 3-4 inches. The chic in the middle is not standing straight up.

[Mrs. Atlanticmike]

The female in the middle is Emma Weyant and she stands 5'8" tall and her weight is 132lbs. The guy to her right is 6'4" tall and I do not know his weight.

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The female to the left is standing straight up on an elevated podium of at least 3-4 inches. The chic in the middle is not standing straight up.

The man on the left isn't wearing shoes and the female in the middle is!

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[K Graham]

The female to the left is standing straight up on an elevated podium of at least 3-4 inches. The chic in the middle is not standing straight up.

The man on the left isn't wearing shoes and the female in the middle is!
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And the man who wrote the post above doesn't comprehend well. Height is irrelevant as there are plenty of women swimmers who are just as tall or ever taller. And Thomas placed 8th in the 100 meter freestyle, which means 7 smaller women beat her out. How is that possible if she has such an advantage because of height and muscle density?