NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[K Graham]

Eric Trump in 2014: ‘We have all the funding we need out of Russia’

President Trump’s son, Eric, once told a golf writer that funding for Trump golf courses come from Russia, that writer recounted in a new interview.

James Dodson during an interview Friday with Boston’s WBUR described meeting Donald Trump in 2014 and being invited to play golf at the Trump National Golf Club Charlotte.

He said asked Donald Trump how he was paying for his courses, and the now-president “sort of tossed off that he had access to $100 million,” Dodson said in the interview.

Dodson said he then questioned Eric Trump, who was along for the day.

{mosads}”I said, ‘Eric, who’s funding? I know no banks — because of the recession, the Great Recession — have touched a golf course. You know, no one’s funding any kind of golf construction. It’s dead in the water the last four or five years,’” the writers told WBUR.

“And this is what he said. He said, ‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’ I said, ‘Really?’ And he said, ‘Oh, yeah. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time.’”

Where there's smoke there's fire right Markk?

From the Murdoch owned WSJ: Trump, His Children, and 500+ Potential Conflicts of Interest

Trump was President for four years and you never once whined about any of this.

President Trump's hotel received $270,000 from Saudi Arabia

Most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, and while President Trump doubled his room rates and leased an entire floor to the Saudis who didn't even use it. Money laundering for political favors? No, of course not. That's only the way we're supposed to think when a Democrat is in office.

Oh but it gets even better. When Mike Pence was traveling to Ireland on state business, Trump redirected his flight to his Trump resort in Scotland. This put Pence 180 miles away from his meetings and ended up costing the taxpayer another $600,000 in transportation fees. All the while Trump's resort in Scotland, which hasn't turned a profit in years, is suddenly getting a huge government check.

Ivanka gets 18 patents in China fast tracked in just two months after Daddy becomes President.. Shortly after, Trump vows to save a Chinese telecommunications company ZTE from going bust.

[Markk]

Kevin,

Let’s just shoot Trump and all his kids. Okay, they are all guilty. I don’t really care at this point. If he runs again and is elected…then lets investigate them all. We can debate whether his taxes should be opened ( I believe they should)…we can talk about when he was a Billion-aire playboy…how he grease politicians for what he needed before he was president as a builder…Kevin, I don’t care about Trump.

This is about Biden/s. Your straw-man is “just because Trump is a idiot and corrupt”….therefore it’s okay for the Biden's to also be.

[K Graham]

Kevin,

Let’s just shoot Trump and all his kids. Okay, they are all guilty. I don’t really care at this point.

Well that's my point. You don't care.

If he runs again and is elected…then lets investigate them all.

But he did run and got elected, and for four years neither you nor any of your preferred Right Wing sources said a damned word about it (aside from Forbes and WSJ). Can't you at least understand why it is hard to take your selective outrage seriously on this one? And this isn't even a flimsy case based on speculation and innuendo, it is pretty much a rock solid case that Trump abused his position to enrich himself, and his kids all cashed in on his Presidency as well.

We can debate whether his taxes should be opened ( I believe they should)…we can talk about when he was a Billion-aire playboy…how he grease politicians for what he needed before he was president as a builder…Kevin, I don’t care about Trump.

Obviously. You care only about Biden. A broken man whose suffered more than you and I could ever imagine.

This is about Biden/s. Your straw-man is “just because Trump is a idiot and corrupt”….therefore it’s okay for the Biden's to also be.

You haven't even come close to establishing any corruption from Biden or even his private citizen son.

You keep downplaying Trump's crimes as just idiocy. But a juicy scandal of some kind, based on flimsy speculation that relies strictly on one source (Bobulinski) that has already lied and misrepresented the evidence, that's your go to guy.

[Markk]

Kevin, Blaming Trump and saying he did that and he did this, to avoid dealing with or justifying Biden’s shot coming …is just a cop out. We did the same thing when we were LDS…Joseph Smith was a mess and a liar, and when a Christian pointed it out, we would say something like…well Luther did this and Calvin did that.

Trump's bad behavior, or shortcomings, does not give an excuse to justify Biden's…so in that since, I really don’t care about Trump, Obama, Bush, Hillary or any other president.

This discussion is about Biden…and there is room for Trump bashing when it lends to the context of specific conversation, but you are just pulling random crap out of who knows where.

[honorentheos]

I'll bring this over from the other thread since it helps illuminate what's changed, been discovered, or is otherwise known since 2020 October:

https://www.vox.com/22992772/hunter-biden-laptop

The article does a good job of summarizing the issues and controversy from 2020. Markk may be happy to see the writers at Vox taking issue with the reaction of Facebook and Twitter to the unknowns around the Providence of the emails, while also acknowledging the concerns that drove those reactions.

More importantly, it's helpful for filling folks in on what has been discovered since those claims were made (and still alluded to as can be seen in this thread):

And here’s where we come to the real dispute, which wasn’t just about whether the emails were fake or real, but about what they show. Trump allies have insisted the leaked material proves that Joe Biden was corrupt. If you think that’s what’s being covered up, of course it seems outrageous that the mainstream media wasn’t devoting more attention to it.

But that case is weak.

There were two supposed “smoking guns” about Joe Biden that conservatives touted in the materials. The first was an email the Post called a “blockbuster,” in which an executive at the Ukrainian gas company Burisma thanked Hunter for the “opportunity to meet your father” in 2015. If you’re steeped in Trumpworld lore, this was damning because of the theory that Biden had the corrupt prosecutor general of Ukraine fired to benefit Burisma, and Biden had said he knew nothing about Hunter’s Ukrainian work, but look, a meeting! (Apparently, it was a dinner at café Milano that Hunter had organized, with about a dozen people.) This appears to amount to Vice President Biden seemingly going to one dinner.

The second involved a business venture that Hunter tried to set up with a Chinese energy tycoon in 2017 (after Joe Biden was no longer vice president). One email mentions that the equity split would include “10 held by H for the big guy ?” A former business partner of Hunter’s named Tony Bobulinski came forward to claim “the big guy” was Joe Biden. But a subsequent email from Hunter says his “Chairman” gave him “an emphatic no,” and a further email clarifies that the chairman is his dad.

So this amounts to Joe Biden apparently refusing some deal Hunter tried to enmesh him in. An alternative possibility is that Joe was not actually ever involved and that Hunter had just been throwing his name around. By Bobulinski’s own account, he briefly met Joe Biden the day before and after an event, and the former vice president only said vague things to him (and the proposed deal never came together in the end).

All of this was indeed covered in the press in October 2020 (I wrote about it at the time). So the real objection from conservatives is that they didn’t get the narrative they liked out of the mainstream media.

Hunter’s emails contained a whole lot of embarrassing and arguably newsworthy material about himself, and the shady foreign business interests of the son of the potential next president are certainly a worthy topic of media coverage. But as for the Biden who was actually on the ballot, there was very little from him personally in those messages (other than an exchange where he comforts his despondent, drug-addicted son). The emails didn’t dominate mainstream media because, at least so far, they didn’t have the goods.

[Markk]

I'll bring this over from the other thread since it helps illuminate what's changed, been discovered, or is otherwise known since 2020 October:

https://www.vox.com/22992772/hunter-biden-laptop

The article does a good job of summarizing the issues and controversy from 2020. Markk may be happy to see the writers at Vox taking issue with the reaction of Facebook and Twitter to the unknowns around the Providence of the emails, while also acknowledging the concerns that drove those reactions.

More importantly, it's helpful for filling folks in on what has been discovered since those claims were made (and still alluded to as can be seen in this thread):

And here’s where we come to the real dispute, which wasn’t just about whether the emails were fake or real, but about what they show. Trump allies have insisted the leaked material proves that Joe Biden was corrupt. If you think that’s what’s being covered up, of course it seems outrageous that the mainstream media wasn’t devoting more attention to it.

But that case is weak.

There were two supposed “smoking guns” about Joe Biden that conservatives touted in the materials. The first was an email the Post called a “blockbuster,” in which an executive at the Ukrainian gas company Burisma thanked Hunter for the “opportunity to meet your father” in 2015. If you’re steeped in Trumpworld lore, this was damning because of the theory that Biden had the corrupt prosecutor general of Ukraine fired to benefit Burisma, and Biden had said he knew nothing about Hunter’s Ukrainian work, but look, a meeting! (Apparently, it was a dinner at café Milano that Hunter had organized, with about a dozen people.) This appears to amount to Vice President Biden seemingly going to one dinner.

The second involved a business venture that Hunter tried to set up with a Chinese energy tycoon in 2017 (after Joe Biden was no longer vice president). One email mentions that the equity split would include “10 held by H for the big guy ?” A former business partner of Hunter’s named Tony Bobulinski came forward to claim “the big guy” was Joe Biden. But a subsequent email from Hunter says his “Chairman” gave him “an emphatic no,” and a further email clarifies that the chairman is his dad.

So this amounts to Joe Biden apparently refusing some deal Hunter tried to enmesh him in. An alternative possibility is that Joe was not actually ever involved and that Hunter had just been throwing his name around. By Bobulinski’s own account, he briefly met Joe Biden the day before and after an event, and the former vice president only said vague things to him (and the proposed deal never came together in the end).

All of this was indeed covered in the press in October 2020 (I wrote about it at the time). So the real objection from conservatives is that they didn’t get the narrative they liked out of the mainstream media.

Hunter’s emails contained a whole lot of embarrassing and arguably newsworthy material about himself, and the shady foreign business interests of the son of the potential next president are certainly a worthy topic of media coverage. But as for the Biden who was actually on the ballot, there was very little from him personally in those messages (other than an exchange where he comforts his despondent, drug-addicted son). The emails didn’t dominate mainstream media because, at least so far, they didn’t have the goods.

Honor…


Your are ignoring all the “smoke” (your words)…there is a clear pattern of “shady-ness,” for lack of a better term, within the Biden Family, there really is. I have tried to get into this, but it is like pulling teeth to enter into a critical thought discussion.

I simply question is “who is the Big Guy?”. The obvious answer, which is very true, is that we don’t know…but there is enough reason, given the context of the e-mails, that it could very well be H’s father.

If you believe that Joe is not the “Big Guy,”…what do you base your opinion on? I base my opinion that he might be the “Big Guy,” on all the “smoke”…I could be wrong, but I could also be correct…!

[honorentheos]

Your are ignoring all the “smoke” (your words)…

Not ignoring the smoke. Dismissing it for being what it is - innuendo and runaway imagination.

there is a clear pattern of “shady-ness,” for lack of a better term, within the Biden Family, there really is.

If you mean Hunter Biden, sure.

I have tried to get into this, but it is like pulling teeth to enter into a critical thought discussion.

Tell me about it. Every time I try to get you to actually think about the evidence known and not just spiral off into two-year old warmed over speculation you dig in your heels. There's only so much one can do with a horse that won't drink.

I simply question is “who is the Big Guy?”. The obvious answer, which is very true, is that we don’t know…but there is enough reason, given the context of the e-mails, that it could very well be H’s father.

Could be. But you have to know why that even matters. And as the Vox article points out, it doesn't because all of the outrage you have is essentially attempts to paint Joe with the Hunter brush when the evidence for that isn't there.

The main two emails you might point to have been shown to not be the smoking guns you were magine them to be.

So, what's your point? Do you want to catch up to discuss this with those of us living in 2022? Or be like Trump, trapped in th fall of 2020 like a washed out high school jock whose life is defined by what could have been if only...?

I could be wrong, but I could also be correct…!

You're not even wrong. You are asking the wrong question. If you'd catch up then maybe you can make it to being wrong, and then maybe we can get somewhere with this discussion.

[Markk]

Your are ignoring all the “smoke” (your words)…

Not ignoring the smoke. Dismissing it for being what it is - innuendo and runaway imagination.

there is a clear pattern of “shady-ness,” for lack of a better term, within the Biden Family, there really is.

If you mean Hunter Biden, sure.

I have tried to get into this, but it is like pulling teeth to enter into a critical thought discussion.

Tell me about it. Every time I try to get you to actually think about the evidence known and not just spiral off into two-year old warmed over speculation you signing your heels. There's only so much one can do with a horse that won't drink.

I simply question is “who is the Big Guy?”. The obvious answer, which is very true, is that we don’t know…but there is enough reason, given the context of the e-mails, that it could very well be H’s father.

Could be. But you have to know why that even matters. And as the Vic article points out, it doesn't because all of the outrage you have is essentially attempts to paint Joe with the Hunter brush when the evidence for that isn't there.

The main two emails you might point to have been shown to not be the smoking guns you were magine them to be.

So,.what's your point? Do you want to catch up to discuss this with those of us living in 2022? Or be like Trump, trapped in th fall of 2020 like a washed out high school jock whose life is defined by what could have been if only...?

I could be wrong, but I could also be correct…!

You're not even wrong. You are asking the wrong question. If you'd catch up then maybe you can make it to being wrong, and then maybe we can get somewhere with this discussion.

I could care less about that article Honor…I am concerned in that the son of a sitting Senator, VP, and now President…was as now is being admitted, is more than dirty and corrupt.

If Hunter Biden was dirty in Iceland, while Joe was in charge of being the lead man of Millions going to the Ukraine…maybe it’s not a big deal and more of a embarrassment. But Hunter worked for a corrupt criminal that was hoping to get part of those millions, and JB fired a prosecutor that was looking into the company that was owned by the criminal and that Hunter and Archer…who is prison for fraud, worked for. Also Archer visited the White House and the VP JB…at the time that the criminal gave Hunter Biden’s and Archers company over 100k, and the go flew to the Ukraine to discuss how th e money would be distributed,… and then Archer and Hunter Biden was officially hired by the gangster owned company. All this in about a month?

Is this just a coincidence.…maybe. I certainly doubt it, and I think it is fair to think that there just might be some shenanigans here.

Who is the Big Man? Do you know?

[honorentheos]

If Hunter Biden was dirty in Iceland, while Joe was in charge of being the lead man of Millions going to the Ukraine…maybe it’s not a big deal and more of a embarrassment. But Hunter worked for a corrupt criminal that was hoping to get part of those millions, and JB fired a prosecutor that was looking into the company that was owned by the criminal and that Hunter and Archer…who is prison for fraud, worked for. Also Archer visited the White House and the VP JB…at the time that the criminal gave Hunter Biden’s and Archers company over 100k, and the go flew to the Ukraine to discuss how th e money would be distributed,… and then Archer and Hunter Biden was officially hired by the gangster owned company. All this in about a month?

Is this just a coincidence.…maybe. I certainly doubt it, and I think it is fair to think that there just might be some shenanigans here.

Who is the Big Man? Do you know?

Here's a question for you, Markk. What came first? Hunter Biden being hired by Ukrainian companies? Or Joe Biden becoming VP? Here is a hint for you. It isn't a coincidence, you just have everything backwards. Again, it's all innuendo and imagination with you. The depths of corruption are limitless for you because they ignore anything that might actually be evidence that would constrain your imagination to reality.

Why is the big man, Markk? Do YOU know that? Can you explain in any kind of detail what we should be recognizing if Hunter Biden used "Big Man" as a reference for his father? Or chairman? Or His Guy? You get too easily distracted by supposition. You need to ground yourself back in 2022 with more current facts.

It's why this is pointless. You can't even see why the idea Biden firing Shokin to benefit Hunter and Burisma is bananas. I mean, the power Biden would have to have to create scandal in Ukraine where riots occured over how corrupt Shokin was, to the point the EU and the White House were pressing to see him removed...that's a powerful person right there who can pull that off.

Or, you know, Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor who start e investigations to use as blackmail to let them stall out of the blackmail was successful which he did. He didn't close them because then he'd lose the leverage. You know, a security scam. And Biden was representing his boss, the President of the United States when he told the President of Ukraine that Shokin had to go or the aid wasn't coming.

Conspiracy is fun because it doesn't have to actually make sense of all the facts...just the ones you care about. As you say, who cares about articles that actually have information them that matter to our understanding in 2022? BIDEN!!!!!!!

Good grief.

[Markk]

If Hunter Biden was dirty in Iceland, while Joe was in charge of being the lead man of Millions going to the Ukraine…maybe it’s not a big deal and more of a embarrassment. But Hunter worked for a corrupt criminal that was hoping to get part of those millions, and JB fired a prosecutor that was looking into the company that was owned by the criminal and that Hunter and Archer…who is prison for fraud, worked for. Also Archer visited the White House and the VP JB…at the time that the criminal gave Hunter Biden’s and Archers company over 100k, and the go flew to the Ukraine to discuss how th e money would be distributed,… and then Archer and Hunter Biden was officially hired by the gangster owned company. All this in about a month?

Is this just a coincidence.…maybe. I certainly doubt it, and I think it is fair to think that there just might be some shenanigans here.

Who is the Big Man? Do you know?

Here's a question for you, Markk. What came first? Hunter Biden being hired by Ukrainian companies? Or Joe Biden becoming VP? Here is a hint for you. It isn't a coincidence, you just have everything backwards. Again, it's all innuendo and imagination with you. The depths of corruption are limitless for you because they ignore anything that might actually be evidence that would constrain your imagination to reality.

Why is the big man, Markk? Do YOU know that? Can you explain in any kind of detail what we should be recognizing if Hunter Biden used "Big Man" as a reference for his father? Or chairman? Or His Guy? You get too easily distracted by supposition. You need to ground yourself back in 2022 with more current facts.

It's why this is pointless. You can't even see why the idea Biden firing Shokin to benefit Hunter and Burisma is bananas. I mean, the power Biden would have to have to create scandal in Ukraine where riots occured over how corrupt Shokin was, to the point the EU and the White House were pressing to see him removed...that's a powerful person right there who can pull that off.

Or, you know, Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor who start e investigations to use as blackmail to let them stall out of the blackmail was successful which he did. He didn't close them because then he'd lose the leverage. You know, a security scam. And Biden was representing his boss, the President of the United States when he told the President of Ukraine that Shokin had to go or the aid wasn't coming.

Conspiracy is fun because it doesn't have to actually make sense of all the facts...just the ones you care about. As you say, who cares about articles that actually have information them that matter to our understanding in 2022? BIDEN!!!!!!!

Good grief.

Why are you so afraid to have special prosecutor investigate this? The facts are JB threatened to hold back millions or was it a billion, dollars if the Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor that was going after a corrupt oligarch, who happened to be Hunter Biden boss…it does not matter if Shokin was corrupt or not…Shokin probably was corrupt, but not nearly as corrupt as Hunters boss who, hiding in another country right now. Why didn’t Joe with hold the Billion unless the locked up MZ? he no doubt got some of that Billion. LOL, this is why i call it a religion Honor…it is as if you are defending Joesph Smith.

LOL Biden said call Obama, go ahead, you are still not getting the Billion dollars…have you even watched it…here it is again…classic…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE7PwqmzSu0

All I know about the “Big Guy “ is that he was going to get paid…aren’t you the least bit curious to know who this was?