NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[K Graham]

Why are you so afraid to have special prosecutor investigate this?

If Trump's own attorney general said there was no need for a special prosecutor then why are you?

AG Barr: No Need For A Special Counsel In Hunter Biden Investigation | NBC Nightly News

The facts are JB threatened to hold back millions or was it a billion, dollars if the Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor that was going after a corrupt oligarch, who happened to be Hunter Biden boss…

Here you are just flat out lying again, relying on outdated, debunked talking points. The prosecutor wasn't going after anyone because he was corrupt. Biden rightfully withheld the funding from them until Ukraine got rid of the corruption.

Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son

Elsewhere you said you know the Big Guy is Joe Biden because the "emails" suggest that. Which emails? Because that isn't what the investigators have said about those emails. And if you step back and think rationally you'd probably realize just how idiotic it is to think it could be Joe Biden. There was plenty of detailed documentation about the ins and outs of the corporation and yet no one mentioned Joe Biden by name, and it wasn't even clear what role he could possibly play anyway. He wasn't the "Chairman" of anything related to Ukraine and the deal that was supposedly so scandalous never went through anyway so no money exchanged. So where is the crime?

This is the same ole crap you guys pulled with HC's emails. All you knew was that she deleted emails, which most people do, and that was enough to concoct a dead end scandal from whole cloth, insisting no one deletes emails unless they're hiding something. What was she hiding? Well, we don't know, but it was probably illegal.

[honorentheos]

Markk,

Apparently you think you know much yet know nothing, then.

The second involved a business venture that Hunter tried to set up with a Chinese energy tycoon in 2017 (after Joe Biden was no longer vice president). One email mentions that the equity split would include “10 held by H for the big guy ?” A former business partner of Hunter’s named Tony Bobulinski came forward to claim “the big guy” was Joe Biden. But a subsequent email from Hunter says his “Chairman” gave him “an emphatic no,” and a further email clarifies that the chairman is his dad.

So this amounts to Joe Biden apparently refusing some deal Hunter tried to enmesh him in. An alternative possibility is that Joe was not actually ever involved and that Hunter had just been throwing his name around. By Bobulinski’s own account, he briefly met Joe Biden the day before and after an event, and the former vice president only said vague things to him (and the proposed deal never came together in the end).

[honorentheos]

What was she hiding? Well, we don't know, but it was probably illegal.

This is key. The conspiracy is vast, the potential corruption limitless because nut jobs who refuse to advance their views when new information comes forward can imagine all kinds of depravity committed by the people on "that" side of the fight against evil.

Yeah, Markk has nothing worth discussing to bring to the table. Just innuendo and 2020's outrage leftovers put under the heat lamp.

[Markk]

Markk,

Apparently you think you know much yet know nothing, then.

The second involved a business venture that Hunter tried to set up with a Chinese energy tycoon in 2017 (after Joe Biden was no longer vice president). One email mentions that the equity split would include “10 held by H for the big guy ?” A former business partner of Hunter’s named Tony Bobulinski came forward to claim “the big guy” was Joe Biden. But a subsequent email from Hunter says his “Chairman” gave him “an emphatic no,” and a further email clarifies that the chairman is his dad.

So this amounts to Joe Biden apparently refusing some deal Hunter tried to enmesh him in. An alternative possibility is that Joe was not actually ever involved and that Hunter had just been throwing his name around. By Bobulinski’s own account, he briefly met Joe Biden the day before and after an event, and the former vice president only said vague things to him (and the proposed deal never came together in the end).

LOL if that is true, then Joe flat out lied when he said never ever discussed foreign business deals with his son. And would suggest they might have done deals before. Which again lends to my point that this should be looked at.

Are you also saying that a two people can’t use two different names for the same person, like chairman and big guy….Kevin you are just digging a deep hole.

But keep in mind just yesterday the White House said that Joe NEVER discussed foreign business dealing with Hunter…yet you just stated that probably was the case.

take care

[honorentheos]

Hunter being given an emphatic no does not suggest they were discussing business. Hunter potentially referring to him as his chairman in one of his bro-talk hussle emails doesn't mean Joe was actually involved. Here's something to add to your imagination bank account since that seems to be how you evaluate information:

Hunter: "Hey, pop, I've got this great deal lined up, a sure thing, and was thinking..."

Joe: "Hunter, absolutely not. Leave me out of your deals."

Now this is where you want to engage in speculation exchange (or what you call "critical thinking"). And my response is, "You don't understand the issues nor the evidence involved in this situation. So, hard pass on your invite to create political fanfiction."

As noted in the article, Hunter could just as easily have been "throwing (Joe's) name around" as even approaching him. You don't know. What we can gather from the evidence is Joe Biden didn't engage with Hunter Biden on the deal behind the supposed smoking gun email. And the evidence for that came from other emails that, funnily, weren't being shared around or talked about in 2020 when there were just weeks before the election. Create some fanfic explaining that one if you wish.

[Markk]

Why are you so afraid to have special prosecutor investigate this?

If Trump's own attorney general said there was no need for a special prosecutor then why are you?

AG Barr: No Need For A Special Counsel In Hunter Biden Investigation | NBC Nightly News

The facts are JB threatened to hold back millions or was it a billion, dollars if the Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor that was going after a corrupt oligarch, who happened to be Hunter Biden boss…

Here you are just flat out lying again, relying on outdated, debunked talking points. The prosecutor wasn't going after anyone because he was corrupt. Biden rightfully withheld the funding from them until Ukraine got rid of the corruption.

Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son

Elsewhere you said you know the Big Guy is Joe Biden because the "emails" suggest that. Which emails? Because that isn't what the investigators have said about those emails. And if you step back and think rationally you'd probably realize just how idiotic it is to think it could be Joe Biden. There was plenty of detailed documentation about the ins and outs of the corporation and yet no one mentioned Joe Biden by name, and it wasn't even clear what role he could possibly play anyway. He wasn't the "Chairman" of anything related to Ukraine and the deal that was supposedly so scandalous never went through anyway so no money exchanged. So where is the crime?

This is the same ole crap you guys pulled with HC's emails. All you knew was that she deleted emails, which most people do, and that was enough to concoct a dead end scandal from whole cloth, insisting no one deletes emails unless they're hiding something. What was she hiding? Well, we don't know, but it was probably illegal.

The Ukraine got rid of corruption….Are you saying Shokin was the only corrupt person in the Ukrain, and MZ wasn’t…or the administration that the money was given to?

LOL now Hillary? Yeah sure she isn’t corrupt. An dit went a little deeper than just deleting -mail like most people do.

Kevin we can go back and forth and you will protect your prophet (the democratic party) at all costs. All I want is a simple real investigation on all of this. I grant you it would happen unless the GOP take back the House.

But tell me how Biden got rid of all corruption until the money was released.

[Markk]

Hunter being given an emphatic no does not suggest they were discussing business. Hunter potentially referring to him as his chairman in one of his bro-talk hussle emails doesn't mean Joe was actually involved. Here's something to add to your imagination bank account since that seems to be how you evaluate information:

Hunter: "Hey, pop, I've got this great deal lined up, a sure thing, and was thinking..."

Joe: "Hunter, absolutely not. Leave me out of your deals."

Now this is where you want to engage in speculation exchange (or what you call "critical thinking"). And my response is, "You don't understand the issues nor the evidence involved in this situation. So, hard pass on your invite to create political fanfiction."

As noted in the article, Hunter could just as easily have been "throwing (Joe's) name around" as even approaching him. You don't know. What we can gather from the evidence is Joe Biden didn't engage with Hunter Biden on the deal behind the supposed smoking gun email. And the evidence for that came from other emails that, funnily, weren't being shared around or talked about in 2020 when there were just weeks before the election. Create some fanfic explaining that one if you wish.

Sure Honor, LOL…are you sure you don’t have the Bidens mixed up with the Cleavers in your example. If what you say it is true….lets ask Joe…right?

Hunter: Gee Pops, my new Boss, a Russian backed Oligarch who did some sweet deals and bilked the Ukraine out of millions just gave me a Job, and all I have to do is set him up with some lawyers that might help him from going to prison…

Joe: Son, I can’t talk to you about things like that. But hey, Jill has a meatloaf in the oven why don’t you and some of your friends come by for dinner?

Hunter: Pops, i can’t make it I am going to score some crack and I have a porn shoot at 9:00

I understand evidence, and we can discuss it…but you don’t want to even discuss it…and one of many question remains”who is the Big Guy. Shouldn’t we find that out?

[honorentheos]

Markk,

It seems your only real interest here is to litigate the talk radio propaganda you listen to non-stop that's sanded the folds of your brain smooth and then branded in their taking points. You are not engaging in discussion of facts, just lobbying for whomever it is that your work radio is tuned to all day.

Very early on I said that you were essentially rehashing old information and not engaging information being shared in any way that suggests the discussion can move forward. Now, we've even gone backward to 2016 or the 1990s.

Hunter Biden is subject to an investigation, as noted in the NYT story that kicked of the resurfacing of the topic like bog gas trapped under a thermal layer of a pond released by a disturbance. The emails don't show Joe Biden as complicit in the money-making schemes claimed, the conspiracy you find outrageous is blatantly present in the dealings of the Trump family business. But everyone who disagrees with your brainwashed regurgitation of talk radio is following a Joseph Smith-type prophet...(snort).

[honorentheos]

…and one of many question remains”who is the Big Guy. Shouldn’t we find that out?

Why is the big guy, Markk?

[Markk]

…and one of many question remains”who is the Big Guy. Shouldn’t we find that out?

Why is the big guy, Markk?

I have no idea what you are even trying to say by that Honor. Please tell me,I do not understand your question. Apparently you have a point to make…make it. My point is that I explained in that we don’t know who the Big Guy is.