NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[Markk]

I started a chronology thread in the hopes that we could untangle this mish mash of claims that Markk keeps throwing out. What exactly happened and when is critical to gaining any understanding of what actually happened. For example, Markk conflates events that happened before the revolution, when Ukraine was controlled by a pro-Russia government (MZ awarded licenses to companies that Burisma later purchased) with events that happened after the revolution (aid given the new pro-Western government by the U.S. and other nations.)

Then we get mish mashes of scattered texts and e-mails over time and on different subjects, treating them as if they all have something to do with each other. But Markk, you keep ignoring that every leaked document from the laptop is cherry picked by political enemies of Joe Biden. Even though multiple individuals have copies of the hard drive, no one has ever simply posted its complete contents. Cherry picked snippets of facts mean absolutely nothing because they are completely devoid of context. You should have learned that with the alleged "private meeting" for which there is zero evidence. But you keep falling for the same trick time after time after time.

If you want to make a case, be disciplined enough to organize the evidence you think you have instead of Gish Galloping around a hill of out of context factoids.

LOL…come on Res…what this shows is several things.

So far we have determined that MZ,Hunter, Archer are not very good people…we have all detriments that the prosecutor that replaced Shokin is also equally not a very good person. Of these four…Archer is in prison, Lutsenko was in prison, MZ is in hiding fleeing possible prosecution, and we all know Hunters issues and that he is not a very good person.

We have a video tape of JB quid quo pro in the Shokin affair stating Lutsenko was a good replacement.

The reason we keep going in circles is because of the constant excuses and denies and attacks on things likes my motives and politics…instead of actually looking at the evidences.


We know about Hunter and Archer getting paid by MZ…I admit I don’t know what he was paid for except for his name. I am not sure what he did aside for helping MZ find a American Attorney to help MZ…and have asked what else he actually did?

We now know that main stream media is now admitting that the laptop was Hunter Biden’s and not some sort of Russian disinformation campaign.

We know from information from the laptop…Hunter, through the president (Eric Schwerin) and partner of Rosemont Seneca, was paying Joe’s bills…we don’t know how much, but we know Hunter said half, and we know that Schwerin discussed some of these with hunter via e-mails from the laptop. (We haven’t dug into Schwerin’s bio yet)

This is a very good start in seeing a pattern of what i called shady-ness, around Hunter and to a certain extent so far, through Hunter, around JB.

I will get into China and Hunter, and other ventures…and James Biden and even his sister.

We also know that a straw man argument of cherry picked data from the lap top is mute…we can now look at any data you want in the context it was written and then discuss it. That is again just a straw-man.

[Res Ipsa]

I started a chronology thread in the hopes that we could untangle this mish mash of claims that Markk keeps throwing out. What exactly happened and when is critical to gaining any understanding of what actually happened. For example, Markk conflates events that happened before the revolution, when Ukraine was controlled by a pro-Russia government (MZ awarded licenses to companies that Burisma later purchased) with events that happened after the revolution (aid given the new pro-Western government by the U.S. and other nations.)

Then we get mish mashes of scattered texts and e-mails over time and on different subjects, treating them as if they all have something to do with each other. But Markk, you keep ignoring that every leaked document from the laptop is cherry picked by political enemies of Joe Biden. Even though multiple individuals have copies of the hard drive, no one has ever simply posted its complete contents. Cherry picked snippets of facts mean absolutely nothing because they are completely devoid of context. You should have learned that with the alleged "private meeting" for which there is zero evidence. But you keep falling for the same trick time after time after time.

If you want to make a case, be disciplined enough to organize the evidence you think you have instead of Gish Galloping around a hill of out of context factoids.

LOL…come on Res…what this shows is several things.

So far we have determined that MZ,Hunter, Archer are not very good people…we have all detriments that the prosecutor that replaced Shokin is also equally not a very good person. Of these four…Archer is in prison, Lutsenko was in prison, MZ is in hiding fleeing possible prosecution, and we all know Hunters issues and that he is not a very good person.

We have a video tape of JB quid quo pro in the Shokin affair stating Lutsenko was a good replacement.

The reason we keep going in circles is because of the constant excuses and denies and attacks on things likes my motives and politics…instead of actually looking at the evidences.


We know about Hunter and Archer getting paid by MZ…I admit I don’t know what he was paid for except for his name. I am not sure what he did aside for helping MZ find a American Attorney to help MZ…and have asked what else he actually did?

We now know that main stream media is now admitting that the laptop was Hunter Biden’s and not some sort of Russian disinformation campaign.

We know from information from the laptop…Hunter, through the president (Eric Schwerin) and partner of Rosemont Seneca, was paying Joe’s bills…we don’t know how much, but we know Hunter said half, and we know that Schwerin discussed some of these with hunter via e-mails from the laptop. (We haven’t dug into Schwerin’s bio yet)

This is a very good start in seeing a pattern of what i called shady-ness, around Hunter and to a certain extent so far, through Hunter, around JB.

I will get into China and Hunter, and other ventures…and James Biden and even his sister.

We also know that a straw man argument of cherry picked data from the lap top is mute…we can now look at any data you want in the context it was written and then discuss it. That is again just a straw-man.

No, these are your argumentative conclusions based on facts you assert but don’t give sources and dates.

Where can I find the complete set of documents that exist on the laptop? Post the link.

I understand that you want to Gish Gallop off to new territory, but there’s no reason to consider your presentation of evidence and conclusions about China or anything else when you refuse to present “the evidence @ in any sort of organized and objective fashion.

P.S. “Straw man” doesn’t mean “catch all term for arguments that Markk is incapable of rebutting.”

[Markk]

I have given links and dates with photos of the e-mails…and videos of the Quid quo pro…please follow the thread.

Are you denying what i wrote in my last post?

[honorentheos]

Markk, there is no publicly available collection of the contents of the laptop. Just snap shots and single pieces presented in articles. You should be able to recognize this.

When Biden presented terms for releasing the loan guarantees, the benefit wasn't for him. You imagine it was and thus claim it is a quid pro quo. But you can't actually do more than speculate and cite the same discredited sources of a corrupt Shokin and your Russian duped blogger. While mountains of evidence regarding Shokin being removed due to corruption called out by international organizations, Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, and US diplomates up to the Senate are waved away or ignored by you.

The issue with the laptop has always been with the way the information was presented in 2020. I gave you links to articles from that time showing this. But you don't care because it doesn't carry water for your biased beliefs.

You now refuse to update your views with more recent evidence yet are eager to consume speculation about emails from 2010 tied up on a fight in text form between Hunter Biden and his daughter a decade later. I've given you links to neutral evidence against your speculation but you just want there to be Lamanites. So.

[honorentheos]

Its worth serious reflection that Markk cannot use evidence in a way that requires rejection of a previously held belief. It can only add to one of his held beliefs and possibly reframe his "knowledge". No evidence, no timeline will reset his view that Joe Biden demanded the removal of Shokin to help Burisma and interfere with investigations into their corruption. That's baked in for him. Dude imagines he is a crusader bringing the truth that need only be repeated over and over, wearing down the "lies" like a preacher refuting a Mormonism over and over again as others beat testimony.

There's no value in rehashing or demanding two year old issues be answered. He sees that as exactly what people lost to a false faith would do.

The irony is he can't see how he himself is stuck bearing the same rote testimony whispered in his ear at the podium, unable to acknowledge new information that undermined his prior beliefs. He imagines new "truth" is on his side, reinventing the narrative from 2020 to being a universal rejection of the existence of the laptop so the current reporting seems to him a fatal blow he can celebrate. He sees the recent focus on emails and texts as disproving claims Joe didn't have business dealings with Hunter, discrediting all critical arguments and the walls are coming down to reveal the rot at the foundation of the Biden conspiracy.

It's interesting for what it reveals about how people think, anyway. But I wouldn't waste time feeding his narrative by getting sucked into what he sees as bearing testimony. It's the information he can't accept that is the No Man Knows My History for his (Not)Trump-tied cult worship.

If Joe had Shokin removed to benefit Hunter, why was the US Senate and Us ambassadors supporting it as one example among many as ways the Obama admin was working to help Ukraine beat systemic, deeply rooted corruption? If the emails from 2010 show Hunter paid Joe's bills, why are the emails from Schwerin discussing which fund listed in Joe's financial disclosure form to pay them from when Joe would have been VP and have removed himself from private financial dealings? Markk just ignores things like that but there's more just like it that undermine his cult's claims. It's all supposition and hard ons for Joe. "Joe looks dirty"...if you just stare at Hunter the whole time I guess.

[Markk]

Markk, there is no publicly available collection of the contents of the laptop. Just snap shots and single pieces presented in articles. You should be able to recognize this.

When Biden presented terms for releasing the loan guarantees, the benefit wasn't for him. You imagine it was and thus claim it is a quid pro quo. But you can't actually do more than speculate and cite the same discredited sources of a corrupt Shokin and your Russian duped blogger. While mountains of evidence regarding Shokin being removed due to corruption called out by international organizations, Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, and US diplomates up to the Senate are waved away or ignored by you.

The issue with the laptop has always been with the way the information was presented in 2020. I gave you links to articles from that time showing this. But you don't care because it doesn't carry water for your biased beliefs.

You now refuse to update your views with more recent evidence yet are eager to consume speculation about emails from 2010 tied up on a fight in text form between Hunter Biden and his daughter a decade later. I've given you links to neutral evidence against your speculation but you just want there to be Lamanites. So.

So lets look at what we have…that is what i am doing…and you just say nah huh…what we have is what we have…and it paints a picture of what we have…a bunch of dirty folks surrounding our current president.

You are correct it does not carry water, in that I could care less about what Trump said…I can only go with what the emails read today…and the data we have from other sources. Which you don’t want to deal with.

[Father Francis]

So lets look at what we have…that is what i am doing…and you just say nah huh…what we have is what we have…and it paints a picture of what we have…a bunch of dirty folks surrounding our current president.

You are correct it does not carry water, in that I could care less about what Trump said…I can only go with what the emails read today…and the data we have from other sources. Which you don’t want to deal with.

I'm sorry, but how does one argue with this gibberish?

I don't even know where to start with the first "paragraph"...

Not to mention Markk's inability or unwillingness to process new information that might pop his bubble....

[Jersey Girl]

So lets look at what we have…that is what i am doing…and you just say nah huh…what we have is what we have…and it paints a picture of what we have…a bunch of dirty folks surrounding our current president.

You are correct it does not carry water, in that I could care less about what Trump said…I can only go with what the emails read today…and the data we have from other sources. Which you don’t want to deal with.

I'm sorry, but how does one argue with this gibberish?

I don't even know where to start with the first "paragraph"...

Let me know when you break the code, Father.

[honorentheos]

So lets look at what we have…that is what i am doing…

,You aren't, though. Res sincerely attempts to engage you by looking at actual facts with verified sources, how they sequence chronologically, and strip off the innuendo and supposition. You won't have it, and want to engage in speculation over and over and over. "Who is the Big Man?", "Why did Biden push for Lutsenko to replace Shokin?", "You know Joe was dirty and working with Hunter, so how dirty is he?"

There is actual evidence and journalistic investigation that could be discussed but you wave it off as avoiding your questions...which aren't questions. You want to sell squares on a betting pool matrix for the conservative dream of a criminal investigation into Joe Biden. You see this attempt to have a discussion based on facts as avoidance of your "questions"...

and you just say nah huh…what we have is what we have…and it paints a picture of what we have…a bunch of dirty folks surrounding our current president.

It's all smoke, no fire with you.

You are correct it does not carry water, in that I could care less about what Trump said…I can only go with what the emails read today…and the data we have from other sources. Which you don’t want to deal with.

You mean sources like your Russian propoganda videos? Or you have new information?

What about the financial disclosure forms showing the funds being Joe Biden's that were being discussed in the emails? If Joe hired Rosemont Seneca when he took office in 2009 to handle his financials while he was VP that is not exactly news. You make it into a scandal by reading a scandal into it. You are too biased to be able to have a meaningful discussion.

[Markk]

Honor wrote…When Biden presented terms for releasing the loan guarantees, the benefit wasn't for him. You imagine it was and thus claim it is a quid pro quo. But you can't actually do more than speculate and cite the same discredited sources of a corrupt Shokin and your Russian duped blogger. While mountains of evidence regarding Shokin being removed due to corruption called out by international organizations, Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, and US diplomates up to the Senate are waved away or ignored by you.

How do you know that? It certainly benefiting his son if Shokin were to get MZ. Your argument is in sorts a argument of silence in that you we have no idea what would have happened if he had stayed in office. His son was effected by that decision, there is absolutely no denying that in that he was involved in this directly.

We are both speculating to a large degree…lol come on Honor. What I am doing is creating a baseline argument that Joe could be involved with all the dirtiness that surrounds his personal life with family and friends…which might, just might be tie in to his professional life. There is a reason JB denies that he has never discussed Hunters business dealings with his son, and I assume brother and folks like Archer…and that is because if he did…that would be real bad for him.

The 2010 e-mails show that JB bills were being paid by Rosemont, by a senior partner of the company owned by the son of a sitting VPOTUS…and by Archer who is in prison years later for fraud, and another fact that I haven’t got into much…Rosmont was also partly owned by the son of in 2010, the step son of a sitting senator who was chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, whom by the way was preceded by Joe Biden. Point being, whether there was hanky panky or not, a company that has had a less than reputable track record, owned by a less than reputable characters…paid bills of the sitting VP of the united states. No matter what you say, or how you spin things, based on e-mails from the lap top this is 100% true, and is more smoke for a need for an investigation.