NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[Markk]

LOL, I would like to see you make your own argument…like Eric was an accountant…and that Joe hired Rosemont to manage his assets…CFR???

Markk, asking that you accurately restate the argument in a way I agree with is how you show you understand it. If you don't understand it, you aren't dismantling it, you're shadowboxing around it.

No, I am asking you to show how a investment firm that dealt in global investment skemes, with a president that is a lobbyist and has a degree in forighn relations can actually have power of attorney (your claim) over a sitting VP’s general banking account? You are trying to say that is perfectly normal…I am questioned that and would say it is rather odd, to say the least. Part of your argument sis that Joe was concerned because his son was fighting overseas…which I am sure he was concerned…just like 100’ of thousands other parents. Let alone wife’s and children of service men and women. Not to mention further those dealing with family members that never came home.

Your point or argument is circular and changing and based on the moment, and needs me to be misinformed and ignorant for it to work in your mind. I believe your central argument is and has been, that he has done nothing wrong and that he is completely separated from his family’s dealing and friends. But please do give me a short narrative of your argument and I will give you mine…this way we can just move forward and we have a datum point and we can memorialize it for the future. we should have done this in the beginning and it might help if Pakes and Res did the same.

My basic argument is that the Biden family, primarily James, hunter, his sister have gained hugely on the Biden name and their connection with JB. I believe that there is a lot of circumstantial evident that points to Joe at the very least, knowing about all their dealings while they happen, and at the worse involved in these dealings. in my opinion opinion Joe is dirty, but I concede he may just be ignorant of all this stuff going on around him in his family, but again personally I highly doubt that. I believe all this is enough for a real investigation by a independent counsel (if that is possible now days).

We are creating a time line, as Res enters them I will give him more…he is already back logged and I don’t want to make it too difficult…I told him when he offered to do this it would be a lot of work…my entry will be in Green, so it will start to show a pattern, and least I believe it will.

[Markk]

LOL…because that is what we do…investigate Presidents…are you denying that?

You mean, like investigating to see if their campaign team or staff have coordinated with a foreign dictator after the candidate called on said dictator to hack his opponent’s email, had his sons meet foreign nationals in an openly-stated quest to create dirt on a political opponent, or asked another foreign leader to make up crap about his political opponent in order to receive military aid that Congress had already authorized?

That seems pretty specific, and it would seem good to know if the leader of the US has staff that has opted to use foreign influence (particularly from a country known to try to interfere) to subvert the democratic election process of the US to serve any candidate’s attempt to gain or stay in power.

That’s not Biden’s story. That’s Trump’s. Any financial shenanigans by the Trump family are just icing on that cake. And Trump’s finances have not been probed indiscriminately for ‘corruption’. You don’t even get to see his taxes, even as JB’s are publicized for your and everyone else’s inspection.

“But his cellphone bill …”. Right. ; )

So, then that is what we do…we investigate presidents. We have impeached two president in our lifetime and one resigned do to a pending investigation that would have fried him. We investigate them because they deserve it, and now it is Biden’s turn, at least in my opinion should be, but my guess is he will be removed by his own before that would ever happen…but we will see.

You have the floor…please explain your cell phone theory?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Markk’s argument is to throw poop at the wall, and then be like, “Lololol! See? I was right all along!!!” Russiagate redux, I guess.

Anyway. Markk. You’re sorely misinformed as to what you think you’re doing. You can’t lay out a timeline because you don’t know what you’re talking about. You have made a fool of yourself, but because you literally don’t know what you’re talking about you feel like you’re doing something amazing. It’s a akin to a dog mashing piano keys with its paws while people exclaim, “Aww, he thinks he’s people!”

- Doc

[canpakes]

You have the floor…please explain your cell phone theory?

The theory is yours. You’ve used this bill as evidence of corruption, although not explained how that works.

Is your final argument for investigating the President based on your claim that we investigate Presidents? This is an interesting approach.

[Markk]

Doc wrote:

“
I guess GWB got Hunter Biden a seat on Amtrak’s board because Hunter Biden was good at riding trains and being Joe Biden’s son. Where are the conspiracy theories surrounding GWB, Hunter Biden, and Big Train, huh? I guess GQP’ers don’t care about cozy connections when a Republican engages in back scratching.“

Please do explain why Hunter was appointed to Amtrak …

Iwill just add this and Res can add it to th e time line….

he was appointed by Bush and served from 2006 to February of 2009 and was paid around 30 K a year

he also at the time was a registered lobbyist https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uplo ... losure.pdf

he was partners, as lawyer, in a lobbying firm …. Oldaker, Biden & Belair, , and while Hunter has claimed he did not Lobby his father, we knew that Oldaker was Joe Bidens campaign treasurer (for senate)

For instance, William Oldaker, another named partner and former general counsel at the Federal Election Commission, has been Sen. Biden's campaign treasurer for Congress.

Oldaker has advised Biden on campaign issues, first during the Senator's failed 1988 presidential bid. And while Oldaker has said he does not lobby Biden personally, he has spoken with Biden's staff about some clients.

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5640118&page=1


There is more on this but my guess and only a guess is that Bush appointed Hunter as a favor to Joe, but he also had to know that he was lobbyist so maybe it goes deeper… I will look at this closer later.

Res, this should be in th e time line, along with Hunters disclosure as a lobbyist…

[Markk]

You have the floor…please explain your cell phone theory?

The theory is yours. You’ve used this bill as evidence of corruption, although not explained how that works.

Is your final argument for investigating the President based on your claim that we investigate Presidents? This is an interesting approach.

LOL…I never used “the” bill as evidence, you cherry picked it out of a registered lobbyist was paying Joes bills. So that is on you, Hunter through Eric was apparently paying a lot of his bills…that is my point

As far as you last paragraph is that going to be your new straw-man…

What is you position on all Joe vs Hunter generally…I gave mine to Honor a few posts back.

More later I hav e to go to downtown LA in a bad part of town for a job walk…if you don’t hear from me I probably got car jacked or stuck in a homeless camp.

[canpakes]

The theory is yours. You’ve used this bill as evidence of corruption, although not explained how that works.

Is your final argument for investigating the President based on your claim that we investigate Presidents? This is an interesting approach.

LOL…I never used “the” bill as evidence, you cherry picked it out of a registered lobbyist was paying Joes bills. So that is on you, Hunter through Eric was apparently paying a lot of his bills…that is my point

Clarify. Do you believe that Eric was paying a $190 cellphone bill supposedly of Joe Biden’s, out of his own pocket?

As far as you last paragraph is that going to be your new straw-man…

Nah. I’m just looking to figure out who you believe should be investigated for what, based on which evidence.

What is you position on all Joe vs Hunter generally…I gave mine to Honor a few posts back.

Like, in a fistfight? A bocci match? A rap battle? Will Hunter be hopped up on coke during this throwdown? Because that might change my calculus. : D

More later I hav e to go to downtown LA in a bad part of town for a job walk…if you don’t hear from me I probably got car jacked or stuck in a homeless camp.

Lucky you. I’m in the middle of Utah surrounded by rangeland and quaint towns, headed for a site of my own. You’re going to miss out on breakfast at noon.

[Schreech]

So, let me see if I am following...

34 pages of Markkk hand waiving, typing out barely readable walls of word salad and demonstrating that he is entirely ignorant when it comes to concepts like:

- evidence vs. belief/faith
- money management
- lobbying - what it means and how it works...
- getting appointed to a board of directors
- why someone might appoint someone else to handle their finances (BUT, BUT, BUT - HE'S NOT AN ACCOUNTANT!!) even if they have other jobs and even if they are family members (I manage my inlaws finances while they are living abroad on a Mormon mission...im not an accountant)
- the legalities of using your name to get a job
- what constitutes fraud
- what a double standard is and why its useful to point out in a conversation.
- how the burden of proof works when making claims.
- logical fallacies, what they mean and how they work.
- how time works and the fact that we cannot currently time travel.

This entire thread is essentially him saying "I know Biden is a crook, I can't point to any evidence of illegal activities but YOU need to prove that he is not a crook!! - Since you can't PROVE he is not a crook, I WIN!!" - you guys are dealing with someone who is incapable of introspection or rational thought when it conflicts with what he has chosen to believe...in other words, another Markkk thread...

[Markk]

LOL…I never used “the” bill as evidence, you cherry picked it out of a registered lobbyist was paying Joes bills. So that is on you, Hunter through Eric was apparently paying a lot of his bills…that is my point

Clarify. Do you believe that Eric was paying a $190 cellphone bill supposedly of Joe Biden’s, out of his own pocket?

As far as you last paragraph is that going to be your new straw-man…

What is you position on all Joe vs Hunter generally…I gave mine to Honor a few posts back.

Like, in a fistfight? A bocci match? A rap battle? Will Hunter be hopped up on coke during this throwdown? Because that might change my calculus. : D

More later I hav e to go to downtown LA in a bad part of town for a job walk…if you don’t hear from me I probably got car jacked or stuck in a homeless camp.

Lucky you. I’m in the middle of Utah surrounded by rangeland and quaint towns, headed for a site of my own. You’re going to miss out on breakfast at noon.

From the article…

” Hunter Biden complained that 'half' of his salary went to paying his father's bills while he was Vice President, casting doubt on the Joe's previous claims that he's never benefited from his son's business dealings.

The bills included a $190-a-month AT&T phone bill and thousands in repairs on Joe's lakeside home in Wilmington.

The payments were described in a 2010 email, when Joe Biden was earning $225,000-a-year as Vice President. He had already made well over $100,000-a-year for decades prior as a senator and author. “

I am not sure where the money came from… Eric says he can pay for it out of his account (“my”) or out of a Wilmington trust, that i assume is a shared account with Joe and Hunter…there are a few Wilmington trust of Joe’s taxes, which was Honors point.

So Eric ether had access to the trust (power of attorney or a joint account) or he was paying it with his account that maybe Hunter set up for him.


Hunter said this in a text too his personal assistant that he has been paying, through Eric, and a line of credit that Joe was exhausting.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/05 ... 176962.jpg


So you tell me where the money is coming form…it is as clear as mud.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... bills.html

Pakes wrote…Nah. I’m just looking to figure out who you believe should be investigated for what, based on which evidence.

Joe and Hunter (hunter is for tax evasion currently)

[honorentheos]

Eric says he can pay for it out of his account (“my”) or out of a Wilmington trust, that i assume is a shared account with Joe and Hunter…

Clearly not. Were it a shared account Schwerin wouldn't go to Joe Biden for direction through Hunter because Hunter would have control of the fund and could tell him which to use. Also, they aren't bank accounts.

So Eric ether had access to the trust (power of attorney or a joint account) or he was paying it with his account that maybe Hunter set up for him.

He is clearly authorized to make payment from the funds. Hunter doesn't own crap here. He's being asked to poke his dad to get answers when Eric needs them and Joe is busy. Read the emails for content not innunendo.

Hunter said this in a text too his personal assistant that he has been paying, through Eric, and a line of credit that Joe was exhausting.

This email is from years later and Hunter is complaining that the Wells Fargo account in question was shut off for him. This isn't related to he 2010 payments in any way, shape, or form.

Joe and Hunter (hunter is for tax evasion currently)

Leash yank, Bark! The fact you think Joe should be investigated based on the supposition being peddled is equivalent to arguing for Lamanites because Tapirs may have been beasts of burden so they could have been what is meant by horse in our favorite Bible fanfic book from the early 1800s.