NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[honorentheos]

So there is no quote from Hunter claiming he was paying Joes bills with his own salary. Just manufactured outrage constructed from smashing up an interpretation of a line from a text fight with emails from a decade earlier where Joe's money is being used to pay bills through a manager while Joe is serving as VP. It's all a sermon of faith that you believe.

I'm saying there's no such thing as Lamanites, Markk. The obvious facts are distorted for you because you can't let go of your conservative religion long enough to see through the smoke.

What is Hunter saying then…?

Clearly not that he paid for Joe Biden's bills with his own salary. That's a manufactured claim.

Are you saying he was a 49 year old, acting like a 17 year old elite brat as Kevin asserted…just throwing a tantrum.

That's not what Kevin said, either. The 17 year old in the scenario would be Hunter in the past. Again, your reading comprehension demonstrates why these threads rattle around avoiding facts as they do.

I read this as him saying he had to pay his Dad 50% of his income when he was a teen.

Or a crank head out of his mind just making stuff up? If I I wrong, fine, but it’s up too you know to explain what he meant in the text?

It's not up to me to explain what is meant in a private text between a father and daughter fighting. You just made a claim that was obviously based on what you'd been told by conservative media and not what the text or emails actually say. That said, I don't think he was drugged. It's a private text message. He meant to win the argument with his daughter.

One point to consider is that the 30 year reference is clearly about his immediate family. His daughter he is talking to was born in 1993, about 25 years before this text. He wasn't paying for anyone else's anythings in 1990, let alone Joe Biden's bills. You might not like this, Markk, but you believe in Lamanites because you've been told to believe in them by your conservative preachers.

[Markk]

What is Hunter saying then…?

Clearly not that he paid for Joe Biden's bills with his own salary. That's a manufactured claim.

Are you saying he was a 49 year old, acting like a 17 year old elite brat as Kevin asserted…just throwing a tantrum.

That's not what Kevin said, either. The 17 year old in the scenario would be Hunter in the past. Again, your reading comprehension demonstrates why these threads rattle around avoiding facts as they do.

I read this as him saying he had to pay his Dad 50% of his income when he was a teen.

Or a crank head out of his mind just making stuff up? If I I wrong, fine, but it’s up too you know to explain what he meant in the text?

It's not up to me to explain what is meant in a private text between a father and daughter fighting. You just made a claim that was obviously based on what you'd been told by conservative media and not what the text or emails actually say. That said, I don't think he was drugged. It's a private text message. He meant to win the argument with his daughter.

One point to consider is that the 30 year reference is clearly about his immediate family. His daughter he is talking to was born in 1993, about 25 years before this text. He wasn't paying for anyone else's anythings in 1990, let alone Joe Biden's bills. You might not like this, Markk, but you believe in Lamanites because you've been told to believe in them by your preachers.

LOL so let me get this straight…Hunter in 2019 was around 48-49 years old, that is when he wrote the text, so Kevin was comparing the context of that text, written is 2019, to Hunter i around 1990 or so…sure that makes a lot of sense, it is now clear…LOL

Again you assert I am wrong…okay fair enough, but now it is your turn to tell me what he meant.

[honorentheos]

Clearly not that he paid for Joe Biden's bills with his own salary. That's a manufactured claim.



That's not what Kevin said, either. The 17 year old in the scenario would be Hunter in the past. Again, your reading comprehension demonstrates why these threads rattle around avoiding facts as they do.

It's not up to me to explain what is meant in a private text between a father and daughter fighting. You just made a claim that was obviously based on what you'd been told by conservative media and not what the text or emails actually say. That said, I don't think he was drugged. It's a private text message. He meant to win the argument with his daughter.

One point to consider is that the 30 year reference is clearly about his immediate family. His daughter he is talking to was born in 1993, about 25 years before this text. He wasn't paying for anyone else's anythings in 1990, let alone Joe Biden's bills. You might not like this, Markk, but you believe in Lamanites because you've been told to believe in them by your preachers.

LOL so let me get this straight…Hunter in 2019 was around 48-49 years old, that is when he wrote the text, so Kevin was comparing the context of that text, written is 2019, to Hunter i around 1990 or so…sure that makes a lot of sense, it is now clear…LOL

Again you assert I am wrong…okay fair enough, but now it is your turn to tell me what he meant.

Not really on either point. Kevin's reading is his own, and all I pointed out is that you read it wrong. As to the text, I don't care what Hunter really meant in a fight with his daughter in a private text. It has nothing to do with Joe Biden or corruption or anything that isn't a private matter between him and his daughter.

Your ease of being manipulated, OTOH, is very on topic for me. It's obvious that you had no idea what the actual content was here. You just swallowed the headlines from your conservative sources without question or critical thought.

[Father Francis]

Again you assert I am wrong…okay fair enough, but now it is your turn to tell me what he meant.

No one here has asserted you are wrong, but have provided well thought out responses as to why you might be wrong.

You haven't proven your point, so why should others have to prove your nebulous arguments based on other people's biased opinions wrong?

[K Graham]

LOL so let me get this straight…Hunter in 2019 was around 48-49 years old, that is when he wrote the text, so Kevin was comparing the context of that text, written is 2019, to Hunter i around 1990 or so…sure that makes a lot of sense, it is now clear…LOL

Again you assert I am wrong…okay fair enough, but now it is your turn to tell me what he meant.

Do you have kids? You're telling me it is not even plausible that a parent would bring up things he did when he was his child's age? I wasn't "comparing a 2019 text to hunter around 1990." That's just typical Markk disingenuousness again. I'm merely pointing out that it is not uncommon for parents, especially when they're in a heated argument with their teenage kid, to make the point that they got it good compared to the way they themselves were raised. This reading makes more sense than the idiotic reading from your Right Wing propaganda outlets. In your view, Hunter is unwittingly spilling the beans about his secretive corrupt business dealings ... in a text argument over a cell phone bill with his teenage daughter! Why would someone who makes millions in corruption schemes be complaining about a relatively cheap phone bill unless he was trying to make a point to his daughter about being responsible?

[Markk]

LOL so let me get this straight…Hunter in 2019 was around 48-49 years old, that is when he wrote the text, so Kevin was comparing the context of that text, written is 2019, to Hunter i around 1990 or so…sure that makes a lot of sense, it is now clear…LOL

Again you assert I am wrong…okay fair enough, but now it is your turn to tell me what he meant.

Not really on either point. Kevin's reading is his own, and all I pointed out is that you read it wrong. As to the text, I don't care what Hunter really meant in a fight with his daughter in a private text. It has nothing to do with Joe Biden or corruption or anything that isn't a private matter between him and his daughter.

Your ease of being manipulated, OTOH, is very on topic for me. It's obvious that you had no idea what the actual content was here. You just swallowed the headlines from your conservative sources without question or critical thought.

The e-mails that are photo copied, in question, are printed in some UK rag that will break any story at any time, Among other news papers, both liberal and conservative based. What conservative sources are you referring to Honor? The e-mails are the e-mails…they stand on their own apart from where they are printed, and the first source I linked is one story in the UK rag.

You have a very hard time discussing the facts, you beg for a timeline, so i start added factual events so Res can add then to his time line that he graciously volunteered to manage, then you just deny what was written by Hunter…and now you just say you don’t care what he wrote.

Okay fine, but quoting a infamous movie turn coat…”don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining!” In other words you want to tell me I am wrong in my interpretation, but you refuse to tell me what the real interpretation is…just that it does not matter and that you don’t care about what was written,…duly noted.

Gotta love it…

Take care

[Markk]

LOL so let me get this straight…Hunter in 2019 was around 48-49 years old, that is when he wrote the text, so Kevin was comparing the context of that text, written is 2019, to Hunter i around 1990 or so…sure that makes a lot of sense, it is now clear…LOL

Again you assert I am wrong…okay fair enough, but now it is your turn to tell me what he meant.

Do you have kids? You're telling me it is not even plausible that a parent would bring up things he did when he was his child's age? I wasn't "comparing a 2019 text to hunter around 1990." That's just typical Markk disingenuousness again. I'm merely pointing out that it is not uncommon for parents, especially when they're in a heated argument with their teenage kid, to make the point that they got it good compared to the way they themselves were raised. This reading makes more sense than the idiotic reading from your Right Wing propaganda outlets. In your view, Hunter is unwittingly spilling the beans about his secretive corrupt business dealings ... in a text argument over a cell phone bill with his teenage daughter! Why would someone who makes millions in corruption schemes be complaining about a relatively cheap phone bill unless he was trying to make a point to his daughter about being responsible?

Yes I have kids…what does that have to do with the context of the texts?

You just spouted out an emotional excuse as to why the texts didn’t mean what they actually said, and Honor buys into it, without thinking it through. And like your solar panel farm suppling ALL of Europe, you are doubling down on impetuous assertions. Kevin just say you got sloppy and move on, doubling down just makes it worse.

When you get in heated arguments with your kids, do you just start lying to your kids, making up lies about your upbringing? I didn’t do that…maybe you do, but given the other e-mails between Eric and Hunter, and with his assistant…it fits. Res can just put into the time line.

[honorentheos]

Not really on either point. Kevin's reading is his own, and all I pointed out is that you read it wrong. As to the text, I don't care what Hunter really meant in a fight with his daughter in a private text. It has nothing to do with Joe Biden or corruption or anything that isn't a private matter between him and his daughter.

Your ease of being manipulated, OTOH, is very on topic for me. It's obvious that you had no idea what the actual content was here. You just swallowed the headlines from your conservative sources without question or critical thought.

The e-mails that are photo copied, in question, are printed in some UK rag that will break any story at any time, Among other news papers, both liberal and conservative based. What conservative sources are you referring to Honor? The e-mails are the e-mails…they stand on their own apart from where they are printed, and the first source I linked is one story in the UK rag.

You have a very hard time discussing the facts, you beg for a timeline, so i start added factual events so Res can add then to his time line that he graciously volunteered to manage, then you just deny what was written by Hunter…and now you just say you don’t care what he wrote.

Okay fine, but quoting a infamous movie turn coat…”don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining!” In other words you want to tell me I am wrong in my interpretation, but you refuse to tell me what the real interpretation is…just that it does not matter and that you don’t care about what was written,…duly noted.

Gotta love it…

Take care

The idea the text from 2019 has any relation to emails from 2010 is a fabrication made up by conservative media. You obviously thought there was a blatant claim by Hunter he was paying his dad's bills from his own salary. But that idea was manufactured when the private text fight from 2019 between Hunter and his daughter are claimed to relate to emails from a decade earlier discussing repair bills for Joe Biden's property.

I've explained what is really going on here multiple times.

When Joe became VP, he needed someone else to manage his assets such as his property because being VP is not a normal job. He declared the funds in his financial disclosure statement from that year being discussed as the means for paying those bills. Hunter, as Joe's available son with Beau being deployed, makes sense as the one tapped to handle day-to-day issues while the financial firm Hunter helped establish was brought on to manage the financials. There's no conspiracy. It's normal business that happens every day.

The 2019 text is a private fight between Hunter and his daughter where Hunter appears to be very bitter and self pitying. Whatever he meant by anything said, it isn't in need of explanation. I personally think he was being an ass moaning about how no one in their family appreciated everything he did for them after he had been divorced over neglecting the family and spending all their money on drugs and prostitutes according to this ex-wife. I've speculated he was bitching about having to pay taxes. Kevin speculated it could be another example of him telling his daughter she was overlooking how good she had it compared to him. Who knows. But it doesn't need explanation any more than a random hacked text pulled out of your phone would demand explanation. There isn't much else to say about it.

The idea that these fragmented and curated bits of evidence demand explanation or else they prove Hunter was laundering money to Joe from foreign agents buying influence is made up by misrepresentation.

It's no different from apologists cobbling together fragments of claims and misrepresented facts to demonstrate their faith in the existence of Lamanites is not only justified, but being held down by conspiring forces. You are in a cult, Markk.

[Markk]

Again you assert I am wrong…okay fair enough, but now it is your turn to tell me what he meant.

No one here has asserted you are wrong, but have provided well thought out responses as to why you might be wrong.

You haven't proven your point, so why should others have to prove your nebulous arguments based on other people's biased opinions wrong?

Huh…CFR on these well thought out arguments…You are in one breath saying there are well thought out responses, then you say why should other hav e to prove my arguments?

FF Honor and Kevin say Hunter did not mean what he wrote, and my literal interpretation of the texts are wrong. Honor said he does not care, and refuses to tell me what he believes the e-mails and texts mean, and if you believe Kevin’s assertion is a “well thought out response,” I challenge you to actually enter into the conversation and tell how Kevins response fits with what the 49 year old Hunter said in 2019…or better yet please actually tell me what e-mails and texts mean, and we can discuss.

[honorentheos]

Honor and Kevin say Hunter did not mean what he wrote, and my literal interpretation of the texts are wrong.

Hunter Biden does not say he paid Joe's bills. You are literally NOT taking the text as written but are instead overlaying it with the headlines that tell you the text should be understood to refer to unrelated emails from a decade earlier.

You are literally not doing the thing you claim to be literally doing.

Honor said he does not care, and refuses to tell me what he believes the e-mails and texts mean,

Again, a big issue here is you not being able to follow discussions or read for comprehension, so we are stuck with you wanting your biased belief explained rather than refuted as manufactured outrage. Because you won't see how you've been manipulated into a belief doesn't demand your belief is accurate and needs explanation. Your belief about the text and emails was preached to you over the pulpit like so many other sermons you've swallowed in your life. I don't need to take your belief in Lamanites and cobbled together evidence for them seriously when the Book of Mormon is obviously a product of the 19th century.