NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[Markk]

When Joe became VP, he needed someone else to manage his assets such as his property because being VP is not a normal job. He declared the funds in his financial disclosure statement from that year being discussed as the means for paying those bills. Hunter, as Joe's available son with Beau being deployed, makes sense as the one tapped to handle day-to-day issues while the financial firm Hunter helped establish was brought on to manage the financials. There's no conspiracy. It's normal business that happens every day.

So you position is, Joe, who was a senator for how long..who sat on, and chaired who knows how many committees…was now as VP more busy? VP’s probably do less than a high ranking sr senator.

Then you state that Hunter, a registered lobbyist, and owner of a global investment firm is the logical choice for managing Joe’s assets and bills. And that we are to just ignore it when Hunter states he pays his dads bills in other communications?

Also another registered lobbyist has some sort of power of attorney of Joe’s personal accounts, and is on record as paying joes bills from his own personal account (“my” account)…along with the trust that we don’t know who is named on the trust along with Joe.

Off to work…more later

[honorentheos]

When Joe became VP, he needed someone else to manage his assets such as his property because being VP is not a normal job. He declared the funds in his financial disclosure statement from that year being discussed as the means for paying those bills. Hunter, as Joe's available son with Beau being deployed, makes sense as the one tapped to handle day-to-day issues while the financial firm Hunter helped establish was brought on to manage the financials. There's no conspiracy. It's normal business that happens every day.

So you position is, Joe, who was a senator for how long..who sat on, and chaired who knows how many committees…was now as VP more busy? VP’s probably do less than a high ranking sr senator.

Your incredulity is based on a bias against Joe Biden and pointless. You want to find a way to dismiss an obvious and everyday matter of asset management because it's inconvenient to your belief in a conspiracy. Why? Because the fabrication that is the headlines you read say it is so, and you know how the old primary song about following the prophet goes...

Then you state that Hunter, a registered lobbyist, and owner of a global investment firm is the logical choice for managing Joe’s assets and bills. And that we are to just ignore it when Hunter states he pays his dads bills in other communications?

Oh? You found a quote from Hunter saying he paid Joe's bills since last we talked? Do share.

Also another registered lobbyist has some sort of power of attorney of Joe’s personal accounts, and is on record as paying joes bills from his own personal account (“my” account)…along with the trust that we don’t know who is named on the trust along with Joe.

Schwerin isn't on record saying he paid for Joe's bills from a personal account of his own. He uses quotes around "my" and in the emails refers to depositing Joe's tax refund into it then writing Hunter a check out of it. It's an expense account, ya dope.

And now your speculation has added a way to dismiss the trusts Joe declared. Who knows who else's name MIGHT BE on them? Maybe Satan co-signed with Joe Biden. Why not. God damn you are such a Mormon apologist for the conservative outrage church.

Lamanites, Markk. You see them because you've been told to believe they are real.

[K Graham]

Yes I have kids…what does that have to do with the context of the texts?

It has to do with how one reads the texts. It is a parent berating his teenage daughter. But you're telling me it is just unfathomable that a parent refer to how he had to do things when he was his kid's age? The old cliché about how your grandparents didn't get to ride a school bus, but rather they had to walk 3 miles to school in the snow uphill both ways! Guess you never heard any hyperbole or comparisons like that huh? I guess you never heard anything like how every generation whines about how good the next generation has it huh?

Sure you haven't Markk.

The fact is I gave my reading of the exchange, and I made no claims about it being definitive. I said it makes more sense in that context. You've had your ass handed to you throughout this thread by Honor, demonstrating over and over again you have really no interest in discussing or getting to the truth on this subject. Your only objective is to defend your initial claims as they were dictated to you by Right Wing news outlets. You don't care about timelines. You don't care about evidence the Laptop data had been compromised by Hunter's political enemies. You have no interest in anything but to constantly regurgitate whatever the faux outrage machine tells you.

When you get in heated arguments with your kids, do you just start lying to your kids, making up lies about your upbringing?

How do you know he lied? It is entirely plausible that Hunter Biden paid his Dad half his check when he was a teen, but there is absolutely no plausibility to the claim he was paying him half his income in 2019 when he made millions. No plausibility whatsoever to that, but if it were true it sure does make for a juicy scandal huh? How could Hunter Biden be laundering that kind of cash to his Dad without the IRS noticing? More importantly, with JB already a millionaire what it in the world would be the purpose for that? Why risk his political career over money he doesn't need? We already saw from the email exchange that JB turned down a proposal to benefit from Hunter Biden's business dealings.

Back to the plausible scenario. My daughter pays me $350/month and she whines all the time about her expenses and how she doesn't have enough to entertain with her friends. I remind her than when I was a kid I didn't have a new car handed to me by my parents, and what's more, I had to pay for gasoline just to drive. She got a new car and drives as much as she wants for free. I know other parents who say similar things to their kids to make the point that their lives aren't the tragedy they sometimes make them out to be.

[Father Francis]

Huh…CFR on these well thought out arguments…You are in one breath saying there are well thought out responses, then you say why should other hav e to prove my arguments?

Those are certainly words... Read it again. I said that other people shouldn't have to prove you wrong when you offer no proof for your assertions. Conjecture is the best you have offered so far and yet you balk at others saying things might be seen differently considering context. Then there's the fact that you ignore facts (like linear time) that would collapse your convoluted conspiracy theory.

[Markk]

Huh…CFR on these well thought out arguments…You are in one breath saying there are well thought out responses, then you say why should other hav e to prove my arguments?

Those are certainly words... Read it again. I said that other people shouldn't have to prove you wrong when you offer no proof for your assertions. Conjecture is the best you have offered so far and yet you balk at others saying things might be seen differently considering context. Then there's the fact that you ignore facts (like linear time) that would collapse your convoluted conspiracy theory

False, and again you can jump in anytime instead of just continue being a outside critic with drive by remarks….the evidence is what the e-mails say. Kevin and Honor offer conjecture, like (paraphrase)‘he was just an upset father ranting with a teenage daughter’ , in other words they are ignoring what he actually wrote and stating without absolutely any evidence of their assertion. My assertion is simple and factual…Their are several texts and e-mails that imply Hunter paid bills for Joe, even from his salary.

[Marcus]

False… [others] offer conjecture… My assertion is simple and factual…[ I offer that words] imply….

Other’s conjecture is false, but YOUR conjecture of ‘implications’ are factual??!!?

Honestly, Markk, sometimes I really get the impression you are just doing a parody here.

[honorentheos]

Kevin and Honor offer conjecture, ...in other words they are ignoring what he actually wrote and stating without absolutely any evidence of their assertion.

Hahaha! Ah, man. That's genuinely funny. I appreciate the chuckle.

So, you really don't get the private stolen text from a fight with his daughter doesn't say Hunter paid Joe's bills, huh? You really genuinely believe it says that? Even though it clearly says he paid for the family for 30 years (roughly how long it had been since he and his ex got married to the time of the text) and the comment about "giving" half his income to Pop is not a statement about paying bills? But you are the one not misrepresenting the content? Damn it, you made me LOL yet again.

The emails don't say they are paying Joe's bills with Hunters money. But the source for showing that the funds are Joe's are coming out of sources described external to the COCO's ( Cult of Conservative Outrage) preaching so you many not be allowed to review them because that is anti-COCO material. I get it. You've got faith and some people can only get through a day if they believe they are fighting against Satan, the co-signer for Joe Biden on all his financial dealings.

Jesus. What a joke.

[canpakes]

….the evidence is what the e-mails say. Kevin and Honor offer conjecture, like (paraphrase)‘he was just an upset father ranting with a teenage daughter’ , in other words they are ignoring what he actually wrote and stating without absolutely any evidence of their assertion. My assertion is simple and factual…

Markk, did you ever raise hell when you were a teenager?

[Markk]

Kevin and Honor offer conjecture, ...in other words they are ignoring what he actually wrote and stating without absolutely any evidence of their assertion.

Hahaha! Ah, man. That's genuinely funny. I appreciate the chuckle.

So, you really don't get the private stolen text from a fight with his daughter doesn't say Hunter paid Joe's bills, huh? You really genuinely believe it says that? Even though it clearly says he paid for the family for 30 years (roughly how long it had been since he and his ex got married to the time of the text) and the comment about "giving" half his income to Pop is not a statement about paying bills? But you are the one not misrepresenting the content? Damn it, you made me LOL yet again.

The emails don't say they are paying Joe's bills with Hunters money. But the source for showing that the funds are Joe's are coming out of sources described external to the COCO's ( Cult of Conservative Outrage) preaching so you many not be allowed to review them because that is anti-COCO material. I get it. You've got faith and some people can only get through a day if they believe they are fighting against Satan, the co-signer for Joe Biden on all his financial dealings.

Jesus. What a joke.

Kevin and Honor offer conjecture, ...in other words they are ignoring what he actually wrote and stating without absolutely any evidence of their assertion.

Hahaha! Ah, man. That's genuinely funny. I appreciate the chuckle.

So, you really don't get the private stolen text from a fight with his daughter doesn't say Hunter paid Joe's bills, huh? You really genuinely believe it says that? Even though it clearly says he paid for the family for 30 years (roughly how long it had been since he and his ex got married to the time of the text) and the comment about "giving" half his income to Pop is not a statement about paying bills? But you are the one not misrepresenting the content? Damn it, you made me LOL yet again.

So you are just saying that Hunter was forced to give Joe half his salary, lets say in cash. Then the other text to his assistant that reads that “My Dad has been using most lines on this account which I’ve through the gracious offering of Eric have paid of the past 11 years”….means what? Remember Eric was without a doubt paying Joes bills, asking Hunter advice, and even had direct contact with Joe…and here it is with who’s money?

Honor like I have been saying these all show a pattern. So like I said earlier, Hunter was either paying Joes bills, or or was strong arming him? When I ask you to explain your view you just deflected to me…so was Hunter paying Joes bills through Eric, was he just taking Hunters money from lines of credit…or was he just taking party of Hunter salary in cash form?

You keep trying to separate Joe from all this but it keeps coming back to him…I admit this is clear as mud, but it is very clear that Joe is getting Hunters salary and monies one way or the other.

Which is it?

[Markk]

….the evidence is what the e-mails say. Kevin and Honor offer conjecture, like (paraphrase)‘he was just an upset father ranting with a teenage daughter’ , in other words they are ignoring what he actually wrote and stating without absolutely any evidence of their assertion. My assertion is simple and factual…

Markk, did you ever raise hell when you were a teenager?

yes…LOL if you only knew…I gave my parents hell…Hunters daughter is a rookie. Go ahead with your plan now…this will be good.

Did your dad ever make you give you half his salary…? Did your father have a lobbyist pay his bills and manage his accounts as a VPOTUS, were you a lobbyist while your father was VPOTUS? Did you Smoke crack and shoot porn of yourself, did you get kicked out of the navy…did you work for a raisin backed Ukrainian Oligarch…is you ex business partner is prison for fraud and conspiracy…?

Pakes I understand you have a hard time seeing the bigger picture, and tend to focus on one little thing at a time…but you have to look at all the e-mails (that we have) and weight them… like I have been saying, there is a clear pattern.