History of Music

[honorentheos]

I'd give the benefit of a doubt it's for a programing class

I'm not sure how music and programming are related.

Ya down with OOP? Yeah, you know me.

[doubtingthomas]

Ya down with OOP? Yeah, you know me.

You know how?

[Jersey Girl]

This is time stamped.

https://youtu.be/3V-EKUz8Oa8?t=106

Elvis's relationship with drugs started with amphetamines while he was cranking out all those gawd awful movies after he got out of the Army. Colonel Tom Parker, his manager, treated him like a cash cow instead of an artist. At the time of his death, his doctor had written over $50,000 worth of prescriptions for him. Elvis bought him a house. At the end of his last concert he was so loaded he had to read the lyrics for 'My Way' off a cheat sheet.

He also had a predilection for sex with underage girls. So yeah, Medal of Freedom.

There was so much wrong about that presentation. I posted it more as a statement (without comment) on DJT than Elvis.

[Doctor Steuss]

So it wouldn't make sense to say that "early rock" is a subgenre. Correct?

I think it can be used as a subgenre as well as a music history descriptor. While there are certainly formulaic classifications of specific tempos, and general styles, a significant amount of it is grey areas, where the dividing line between an existing genre, and a new one is blurry as all get-out.

Kind of like how some "classic rock" stations are now including Pearl Jam in the rotation right next to Led Zeppelin, and coming back from commercial with AC/DC fading into Nirvana.

I certainly wouldn't consider Muse to be "classic rock" (although I hear a lot of Rush in them sometimes), but I'd wager that in about 15-20 years, they'll be finding themselves classed right alongside the Stones in some people's genre/subgenre classifications.

Also, there's always a kind of "what is porn" aspect to music. You ask me and several other people to define afrobeat, we'll probably have some disagreements about defining aspects, but we all know it when we "see" it. BUT, before I knew afrobeat was a specific genre, I thought it was a modern take on big band. So, even though I can now pretty much recognize it as a specific genre, it used to be something entirely different... to me.

Ultimately, there is so much of modern music that is subjective, even when it comes to nailing down specific genres that don't have any type of prior influence bleed over. If you ever feel like a 2-year musical undertaking (at least that's how long it took me at a leisurely pace), listen to each of the Rolling Stone Magazine's 500 greatest albums in their entirety, and read a descriptor of each of those albums before (or after) listening to it. It will be painful at times, but it will likely help give a high level view of how purity tests for music, including genres, can be tricky business.

Ya down with OOP? Yeah, you know me.

And... I'm dead.

[huckelberry]

kingsmen copied the Wailers (this group) version of Loui loui.

I was in a band called Sounds Unlimited in the early 60's. (Sounds Unlimited won out over The Pendletones, which was the original name of the Beach Boys). We drew a lot from the Wailers. Tall Cool One, Shanghaid and San Jose were all in our playlist.

MedotOrg
well that is an interesting little note.It is a clue to your extra interest and knowledge about that music. I may be a bit unsure of a good response but find myself hoping you can look back at that time with more good humor than bitterness. Beach boys had some nice songs. One of their records was the first rock roll type records I bought. I found I got tired of it more quickly than I liked. You may have been pursuing music more to my taste.

[doubtingthomas]

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[doubtingthomas]

Ultimately, there is so much of modern music that is subjective, even when it comes to nailing down specific genres that don't have any type of prior influence bleed over. If you ever feel like a 2-year musical undertaking (at least that's how long it took me at a leisurely pace), listen to each of the Rolling Stone Magazine's 500 greatest albums in their entirety, and read a descriptor of each of those albums before (or after) listening to it. It will be painful at times, but it will likely help give a high level view of how purity tests for music, including genres, can be tricky business.

Makes perfect sense.

[doubtingthomas]

Ultimately, there is so much of modern music that is subjective

I completely agree.

From the intro of this song, which style is being used (it was borrowed from Jazz)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Stone_from_the_Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNBRnkAbhys

A) Swing
B) Boogaloo
C) Samba
D) Bossa Nova

Would you happen to know off the top of your head?

[doubtingthomas]

DT you wanted to know how early rock influenced American culture. That's a difficult question to answer. Elvis, for example, paved the way for many a Black artist's already conceived music. He took the music already penned by Little Richard and jettisoned it into mainstream music.

Jersey Girl, I would like to know your opinion

How did rock and roll influence dance and how much of the appeal of rock music to youth was the expression of sexual energy on the dance floors? And if this genuinely changed peoples attitudes towards sex? Or if parents may have been overreacting to it who just forgot what it meant to be young? Was the generation who listened to Elvis more willing to drop sexual inhibitions? Less class conscious since rock arose out of the influence of so many different musical forms?

Thank you in advance.

[huckelberry]

Ultimately, there is so much of modern music that is subjective

I completely agree.

From the intro of this song, which style is being used (it was borrowed from Jazz)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Stone_from_the_Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNBRnkAbhys

A) Swing
B) Boogaloo
C) Samba
D) Bossa Nova

Would you happen to know off the top of your head?

doubting Thomas, I think you have an interesting question here. Your selection of jazz styles are full miss for the question, hard bop would be closest I think though hard bop turning into avant garde could also be proposed.

People always talk about the guitar playing on the record (the original) but it is clear that the bass and drummer are making big crucial contributions. I wish to note that music in the second half of the 1960 was intentionally trying to break out of genres and set styles. I am of that age group so I cannot lose the sense of wanting to break the idea of genres to let things be themselves and maybe even something new.

I do not think it is at all possible to recreate the sense of what Hendrix first album was like when new. It had the shocking sense that this music had never been heard before on earth.

I checked the notes on the album and there is note that the drummer liked Philadelphia Joe Jones. He would be well known as a Miles Davis drummer and one Miles thought highly of. I do not know clever categories for drum style but I know it sounds different than some other drummers who would be in the same genre such as Max Roach. There is an almost fragmenting quality which also is used by John Coltrane's drummer Elvin Jones, (mentioned in your linked article). I will add that even though Coltrane is coming out of bop his music is his own search for transcendence. So is Hendrix music.
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seeing this post again I notice auto correct insists the drummer must be Philadelphia which is not correct