Mar-A-Lago Legally Searched by FBI

[Vēritās]

I don’t see a way out of this for Trump. 3. points:

(1) Trump was in unauthorized (stolen) possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.

(2) He was put on notice by the US Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.

(3) He continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month.

Name me another person in this world that wouldn’t be indicted for a variety of crimes.

- Doc

So the nuclear secrets and espionage story is now a nah?

Who said there were nuclear secrets? Aren't you the same guy who jumped the gun and insisted the FBI overreached without having the faintest clue what their evidence was? Aren't you the same guy who bemoaned the FBI not first issuing a subpoena, shortly before finding out that's precisely what they did? Your only consistency is being laughably wrong all the time. The fact that you think the DOJ owes you a completely unredacted affidavit just because it threatens the guy you voted for is also pretty damned hilarious. You sound very much like the orange moron who thinks he has all these privileges. First they wanted the warrant disclosed, and they got that. Then they wanted the affidavit disclosed, and they got all that could be legally disclosed. Now they're like you, whining about how the redactions prove the DOJ is "hiding" something. The goal posts keep moving. Never mind that a judge looked this over and determined there was probable cause.

[Binger]

So the nuclear secrets and espionage story is now a nah?

Who said there were nuclear secrets? Aren't you the same guy who jumped the gun and insisted the FBI overreached without having the faintest clue what their evidence was? Aren't you the same guy who bemoaned the FBI not first issuing a subpoena, shortly before finding out that's precisely what they did? Your only consistency is being laughably wrong all the time. The fact that you think the DOJ owes you a completely unredacted affidavit just because it threatens the guy you voted for is also pretty damned hilarious. You sound very much like the orange moron who thinks he has all these privileges. First they wanted the warrant disclosed, and they got that. Then they wanted the affidavit disclosed, and they got all that could be legally disclosed. Now they're like you, whining about how the redactions prove the DOJ is "hiding" something. The goal posts keep moving. Never mind that a judge looked this over and determined there was probable cause.

Nope. That wasn't me. Feel free to go back and look at my posts.

What the DOJ chooses to redact or not and what the FBI anonymous sources choose to leak to their favorite press folks or not is just entertainment to me. It will not and does not change a damn thing for me. I think it is hysterical that the DOJ is choosing to flush their own reputation and also crap all over the FBI over hurt feelings from an orange moron though. That is fun and funny to watch.

[ajax18]

A judge who hates Trump. Over a quarter of the affidavit was retracted. This along with so many other things needs to be investigated by the other side.

[Vēritās]

A judge who hates Trump. Over a quarter of the affidavit was retracted. This along with so many other things needs to be investigated by the other side.

The poor persecuted me defense is lame as all get out. Trump breaks laws left and right for years and whenever he's held accountable he cries about political persecution. Everyone has an ax to grind with him in his mind. He says this stupid crap and you just eat it up.

Over a quarter of the affidavit was redacted for good reason. I know you think Trump has so much White Privilege that he should be able to get away with murder, like he once claimed to a round of applause. But what are you worried about? The contents of the affidavit will stand on its own merits in court if Trump is indicted. Trump's attorney's didn't want the affidavit information disclosed because they knew it could only hurt him. Trump has been lying about this ordeal from day one and that much has been clear with every new revelation. Trump said he'd been cooperating with giving them over. That was a lie. He said he had declassified everything, and that was a lie. He keeps shifting the premise of his whiney defense.

The blacked out portions of the affidavit reveal the details of the evidence which if known, would compromise the investigation which is one of two reasons why Trumptards want it disclosed. The other reason is so they can find out who the people are close to Trump who are informing against him. They just want to attack and threaten them like they did the Ukraine whistleblower. Its all the MAGAtards know at this point. Patriotism to country and constitution was never in their intentions. It was always about loyalty to their cult leader who is promising to exact vengeance on all the Libs who made him look stupid.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don’t see a way out of this for Trump. 3. points:

(1) Trump was in unauthorized (stolen) possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.

(2) He was put on notice by the US Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.

(3) He continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month.

Name me another person in this world that wouldn’t be indicted for a variety of crimes.

- Doc

So the nuclear secrets and espionage story is now a nah?

25 TS docs and 60-something SECRET docs, so who knows what was stolen. And this is still espionage. And theft, unless it’s cool now that government workers can take government property?

- Doc

[Gadianton]

A judge who hates Trump. Over a quarter of the affidavit was retracted. This along with so many other things needs to be investigated by the other side.

Your definition of hating Trump is anyone who doesn't lie profusely to protect Trump or break the law to protect Trump.

There is no "other side".

[Jersey Girl]

A judge who hates Trump. Over a quarter of the affidavit was retracted. This along with so many other things needs to be investigated by the other side.

What other side?

[MeDotOrg]

I think there has to be a prosecution in this case. If the United States does NOT prosecute, what are we saying to all future sources of human or signal intelligence? What do we say to foreign governments who share secrets with us trusting we will keep them secret?

Imagine if the Japanese knew that we had broken their naval codes, or the Nazis knew we had cracked Enigma during World War II. Forget about the message we send to MAGAland if Trump is charged. Think about the damage we do to our intelligence gathering if we do NOT charge him.

[Jersey Girl]

So the nuclear secrets and espionage story is now a nah?

25 TS docs and 60-something SECRET docs, so who knows what was stolen. And this is still espionage. And theft, unless it’s cool now that government workers can take government property?

- Doc

Top down inventory:

25 TS
92 Secret
67 Confidential

[Vēritās]

25 TS docs and 60-something SECRET docs, so who knows what was stolen. And this is still espionage. And theft, unless it’s cool now that government workers can take government property?

- Doc

Top down inventory:

25 TS
92 Secret
67 Confidential

And yet no one in Trump camp (Binger and ajax included) can provide us with any plausible explanation as to why he would have these docs. They're not even trying anymore as all of their initial excuses have been debunked as untenable. The incontrovertible fact is that he broke the law by taking these records that belong to the American people. That in and of itself is illegal, but as more details emerge it becomes clear he did so with full intent to break the law because he was informed prior, and he kept these docs for more than a year. The irony is that Trump himself signed a law making this a felony!

Instead of using their brains and asking the question, why would Trump have these docs, they instead allow him and FOX News to drag them around by the nose about these idiotic "political persecution" narratives. The fact is the NAR submitted a criminal referral to the DOJ earlier this year after a full year of trying to retrieve these docs. If this were political, and if Biden had complete oversight/control over the DOJ the way Trump did over Barr, then why didn't they do this back in February? Why did the DOJ bend over backwards to accommodate and try to help Trump save face? The more evidence that comes out suggests this is the case, and that the FOX News narrative of "this is unprecedented... there was no due process...they're coming after you next," was complete BS from the start.

Because I watch CNN, MSNBC, BBC, and NN, I've been treated to informed commentary from former intelligence officials that would never be allowed to show up on FOX. Why? Because what they're saying makes it perfectly clear that the Trump/FOX narrative holds no water. Just look at Jesse Waters flipping out after his expert guest starts saying things he doesn't like. A couple of them said that when they read the classification designations on some of these docs that it sent a chill up their spines because they cannot understand ANY scenario in which such documents would not be secured. Some of these top secret designations apply only to docs that pertain to the secret identification of US agents in foreign countries and disclosing their ID could threaten their very lives and upend espionage processes that have been ongoing for decades. How can you put a price on something like that? The only logical explanation as to why Trump would even have such docs is that he wanted to use it for monetary gain. Does anyone here really doubt Trump would sell our country's secrets to other countries for billions in aid to help him avoid more bankruptcies?

Which brings me to another question. In the absolute worst case scenario, what if the DOJ manages to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Trump only had nefarious intent with these docs to serve his own interests? If that happens, then I think it is time for laws to be passed to declare FOX News and other outlets, enemies of the state. Why? Because they were entirely complicit in this scheme by carrying the water for Trump, coming up with bogus excuses all the while throwing our own country's intelligence agencies under the bus. This isn't the first time they've done this either (Ukraine), and it is getting to the point that millions of Americans are being fed lies that harm our national security. FOX is becoming far worse than any of us imagined. Just recently we had a pandemic in which it was complicit in killing thousands of Americans by pushing lies and disinformation about the virus, masks, social distancing and the vaccines. Their sole purpose for existing is to do everything they can, at all costs, to get more Republicans elected so they can shape America according to their bogus culture war narratives. That isn't a news outlet by any stretch of the imagination.