Will the Republic as we know it end?

[canpakes]

Especially for Democrats who vote for Biden or Fetterman. Neither of these two are physically up to the job.

I hear that Steven Hawking was terrible at both standing and speaking.

[Hawkeye]

Especially for Democrats who vote for Biden or Fetterman. Neither of these two are physically up to the job.

I hear that Steven Hawking was terrible at both standing and speaking.

Surely you have a younger moderate Democrat in your bullpen ready to relieve Biden. It looks like the Democrats are going to throw Biden out after he loses this election which I don't think will work since it's his policies and ideology that caused this recession and gas prices not his senility. I do think with the threat of nuclear war that even Democrats would have to be concerned about having someone who belongs in a nursing home making the decision to push the button or negotiate with Putin or Kim Jungun

[canpakes]

… it's his policies and ideology that caused this recession and gas prices …

Not surprisingly, you’ve never been able to explain how that works.

Let’s try this: tell me how Republicans will make gas cheaper for everyone and fix the worldwide recession.

[Kishkumen]

Surely you have a younger moderate Democrat in your bullpen ready to relieve Biden. It looks like the Democrats are going to throw Biden out after he loses this election which I don't think will work since it's his policies and ideology that caused this recession and gas prices not his senility. I do think with the threat of nuclear war that even Democrats would have to be concerned about having someone who belongs in a nursing home making the decision to push the button or negotiate with Putin or Kim Jungun

That’s nothing compared with that sad yo-yo who only thinks with his id or his penis: Trump.

[Moksha]

Thank goodness for Utah's ease of mail-in ballots. It made voting a breeze. I voted for the Independent Mormon ticket in the Senate race in Utah (the Democrats did not field a candidate so they could support a Mormon candidate not thoroughly corrupted by Trumpian politics)
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[Dr Exiled]

Will the Republic as we know it end? Perhaps perception will change. The media will certainly try to make that case, trying to influence perception, but I don't think much of the important stuff will change because of today's election. Whatever trends exist have existed for a while. The process of wealth being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands will continue as it has done since at least the 70's. Each crisis means more monopoly/oligopoly power and military spending keeps rising and is always approved by both parties, regardless of who is in power. The wars continue and new ones will seemingly be necessary in the future.

I don't see the republicans or the democrats offering anything to change the above.

[Gunnar]

I hear that Steven Hawking was terrible at both standing and speaking.

Surely you have a younger moderate Democrat in your bullpen ready to relieve Biden. It looks like the Democrats are going to throw Biden out after he loses this election which I don't think will work since it's his policies and ideology that caused this recession and gas prices not his senility. I do think with the threat of nuclear war that even Democrats would have to be concerned about having someone who belongs in a nursing home making the decision to push the button or negotiate with Putin or Kim Jungun

Gadianton and others on this forum have already thoroughly debunked your claim that Biden is or even could have been somehow the cause of our current inflation or is destroying our economy. As already pointed out to you, our economy is actually growing at a faster rate now (despite the inflation) than at any time during Trump's presidency. Besides that, unemployment is at a 50 year low. Besides that, as Dr. Cam showed, Biden's list of real accomplishments, so far, exceeds what Trump accomplished in his entire 4 years by a long shot. As also pointed out to you, worldwide inflation rates in many other countries exceed the inflation rate in our country. Biden is not president of the world, is he? Do you deny that the Ukraine war, OPEC's curtailment of production, record high profit margins for fossil fuel companies, and the recent and current worldwide pandemic are the principal causes of the current inflation that have little or nothing to do with anything Biden did or is trying to do?

The several times repeated accusation that you seem unwilling or incapable of learning anything new is very well founded.

[Kishkumen]

Will the Republic as we know it end? Perhaps perception will change. The media will certainly try to make that case, trying to influence perception, but I don't think much of the important stuff will change because of today's election. Whatever trends exist have existed for a while. The process of wealth being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands will continue as it has done since at least the 70's. Each crisis means more monopoly/oligopoly power and military spending keeps rising and is always approved by both parties, regardless of who is in power. The wars continue and new ones will seemingly be necessary in the future.

I don't see the republicans or the democrats offering anything to change the above.

All it takes for our republic to end is lasting one-party rule. The GOP has been teeing up exactly this situation. The coup never ended. It just moved on to different methods.

[Dr Exiled]

Will the Republic as we know it end? Perhaps perception will change. The media will certainly try to make that case, trying to influence perception, but I don't think much of the important stuff will change because of today's election. Whatever trends exist have existed for a while. The process of wealth being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands will continue as it has done since at least the 70's. Each crisis means more monopoly/oligopoly power and military spending keeps rising and is always approved by both parties, regardless of who is in power. The wars continue and new ones will seemingly be necessary in the future.

I don't see the republicans or the democrats offering anything to change the above.

All it takes for our republic to end is lasting one-party rule. The GOP has been teeing up exactly this situation. The coup never ended. It just moved on to different methods.

Maybe, but I see this as an exaggeration of the mainstream media. The Jan 6 "coup" was pretty tepid, in my mind, in comparison to real coups that we ran in central america and in the rest of the world. Think Iran in the 1950's or South America. The military was absent in this clown show and no one had the kind of arms necessary to carry out a coup. Trump bitched and is still bitching over 2020. However, our country was never in any danger of being taken over by him in some fascist fantasy the democrats imagine in their wet dreams. Is the buffoon Trump capable of even getting capable people to follow him in a serious coup? I doubt it. West Point has some real bright minds that go there and I doubt any would follow Trump in a coup. Even his secret service driver had the sense to take him away from the alleged coup area and prevented him from doing anything to further the supposed conspiracy. No, said the driver, you cannot have your big mac and you need to go home young man. To me, it seems like the potential client that comes in to my office complaining that he/she was almost hit by a reckless driver. There are the innocent bystanders that can claim damages to a serious accident that almost hit them, however, this isn't that case.

Anyway, I hope your dire prediction doesn't come true. We live in a country where the politics are dominated by Wall Street types on both sides. It seems to me that we are presented with a play pen where we can fight it out inside, over non-economic issues, but cannot venture outside where it matters. It's always the economy and both parties are for the ruling class here.

[Kishkumen]

Maybe, but I see this as an exaggeration of the mainstream media. The Jan 6 "coup" was pretty tepid, in my mind, in comparison to real coups that we ran in central america and in the rest of the world. Think Iran in the 1950's or South America. The military was absent in this clown show and no one had the kind of arms necessary to carry out a coup. Trump bitched and is still bitching over 2020. However, our country was never in any danger of being taken over by him in some fascist fantasy the democrats imagine in their wet dreams.

First off, I think wet dreams are generally good dreams, not nightmares. Secondly, the problem with your analysis here is that January 6 ought not to be judged by its size or immediate effectiveness but by the reaction of Republicans months later. Third, The underlying coup is about changing the rules of the game to insure that there is no such thing as a fair competition in US elections. That is a longstanding coup, and Republicans have been at it for a very long time. They will continue to be at it for a while to come. It may even be that they eventually succeed.

Is the buffoon Trump capable of even getting capable people to follow him in a serious coup?

My comment was not about Trump. It was about one-party rule. Trump was an important person in that he gave people who fear the modern world, fear democracy, and want authoritarianism some tools to work with. One does not need to worry so much about Dictator Trump. One ought to worry about the people who use his playbook in the lower echelons across the country. This goes all the way down to very local government. The real question is whether election denying will ultimately take hold as a regular part of the toolkit.

Anyway, I hope your dire prediction doesn't come true. We live in a country where the politics are dominated by Wall Street types on both sides. It seems to me that we are presented with a play pen where we can fight it out inside, over non-economic issues, but cannot venture outside where it matters. It's always the economy and both parties are for the ruling class here.

And authoritarianism isn't guaranteed to be bad for the economy, at least in the short run, just as war isn't bad for everyone's bottom line either. I have a friend who used to work for Lehman Brothers. Definitely a Republican. I was really quite surprised about how unconcerned he was about Trump. Trump's political style is worrisome and corrosive of republicanism and/or democracy. Oddly enough, I am happy that Ron DeSantis won in Florida and Trump did a really bad job of lifting many other Republican boats because this almost certainly means that Trump is on his way out.