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Re: Red Wave

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Hawkeye wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:48 am
There are some issues where the calculus on that one issue overrides everything else. If someone agrees the GOP backed trying to steal an election and attack Congress? Kinda hard to vote for anyone with an R until they stand up against that. View the McConnell shenanigans in packing the the Supreme Court as having begun to impose religious beliefs on others ala Dobbs? Kinda hard to vote for anyone with an R when they clearly don't value democratic norms. Inflation, concerns over spending, foreign policy and conflicts in Europe aren't tipping scales for anyone who is weighing the effects of becoming a failed democracy.
Well that does sound similar Ben Shapiro's post mortem point that MAGA Republicans were viewed as too crazy for independents. But I'm not buying it from him. Just a day before he was talking about how we were going to see a red wave, quoting polls, etc.
It was heartening to see that, to be honest. I didn't think we had it in us.
If you can win in this economy, I think you're well on your way to one party rule. Even if Republicans did regain some political influence, it's not like they just get to wipe away the $32 trillion debt and start again.
Again, there are counter examples where Republicans performed very well who Trump disparaged. Kemp in Georgia, DeSantis in Florida both show Trump to be an albatross. Republicans, even hardline conservative ones, didn't lose yesterday where they were expected to win. Certain kinds of Republicans did.

ETA: We agree regarding Republicans not wiping away the debt had they won, though not for the reasons you believe. Republicans are not fiscal conservatives and you should stop lying about that.
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honorentheos wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:52 am
Hawkeye wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:48 am
Well that does sound similar Ben Shapiro's post mortem point that MAGA Republicans were viewed as too crazy for independents. But I'm not buying it from him. Just a day before he was talking about how we were going to see a red wave, quoting polls, etc.

If you can win in this economy, I think you're well on your way to one party rule. Even if Republicans did regain some political influence, it's not like they just get to wipe away the $32 trillion debt and start again.
Again, there are counter examples where Republicans performed very well who Trump disparaged. Kemp in Georgia, DeSantis in Florida both show Trump to be an albatross. Republicans, even hardline conservative ones, didn't lose yesterday where they were expected to win. Certain kinds of Republicans did.
Raffensperger also won his election, and he was attacked by Trump more than anyone not named Pence.
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How's business been for you Gad? Perhaps you're smart enough to be one of the few to see good returns in this economy. I should have gotten out a long time ago. What a disaster and a waste $401k has become. It's the 21st century's version of the social security scam. They lure you in with a tax break and then cut you off at the knees with inflation.
Why would inflation hurt your 401k? If companies are beating expected earnings, then stock prices are going up. Rising prices follow a hot economy. But you don't like inflation. Okay, well, the traditional cure for that, as Trump appointed right-wing chairman of the Federal Reserve Jerome Powell will tell you, is to raise interest rates. Rising interest rates are what's killing the stock market. You can watch this is real time. Watch Jerome Powell open his mouth and watch the stock market go down. (it doesn't matter what political party the Fed chairmen is, the result is the same. I just point out the person causing the pain right now is a Trump appointee because Republicans don't seem to know this and just shout "Biden".)

When the Fed promotes higher interest rates then stocks get dumped for less risky assets; a lot of things are going on, but Imagine an extreme example: what if you could get 60% on your savings account? You'd hoard every cent. Nobody would want to spend. If everybody stops spending, then companies aren't selling and they aren't making money. If they aren't making money, employees get laid off. But something magical happens as a result of all of this: prices fall. That's right, Ajax, let me put it another way: Trump Appointee Jerome Powell is trying to make saving so attractive that it stops companies from making money and people lose their jobs, because that's the proven way to make prices fall and stop inflation.

If you have the least bit of curiosity about the world, you might ask yourself what Jerome Powell was doing during Trump's presidency, when Trump was king of the stock market? That's right, right-winger Jerome Powell was lowering interest rates like crazy. Take another extreme example: what if your bank account paid - 60%? You'd spend like there is no tomorrow. Lowering interest rates makes spending more attractive. That's the intuition. Jerome Powell lowered interest rates to nearly zero! What do you do once you can't lower them any farther? I'll tell you, once you get near zero, stocks start crashing because they anticipate the juice being turned off in the near future. Your 401k doing great up until rates hit about zero had less to do with a great economy and more to do with Powell. If Powell didn't drop rates to near zero, he wouldn't have to clean up the mess by backing them up to 4 or 5 or 6 in a short time span.

Don't stop putting money into your 401k now; don't be like my right-wing friend and buy high and sell low.

Sure, everyone wishes they sold at the top. But remember, trading is a zero-sum game. If everybody sold at the top then everyone would instantly be at the bottom. The only way you could have sold at the top and then bought the bottom, is at the expense of other market participants. Brilliant hedge funds managers with big degrees and high-tech software analyzing the crap out of the market are playing a zero-sum game against other brilliant hedge fund managers with the same software. That means, be careful about trying to time the market, dollar cost averaging and diversifying is still the best way to go.

My personal trading account is doing much better than my 401k or the market, but while in the black this year, is not great. If I can slowly improve it, I'll do more on my own and put less in my 401k, but I would never just pull my 401k or sell my house at the top and rent, hoping the market will crash. That's risky stuff.
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Hawkeye wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:48 am
If you can win in this economy, I think you're well on your way to one party rule. Even if Republicans did regain some political influence, it's not like they just get to wipe away the $32 trillion debt and start again.
Oh, so now you're back to pretending to care about the national debt, a third of which was created during Trump's single term in office?
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Vēritās wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:56 am
honorentheos wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:52 am
Again, there are counter examples where Republicans performed very well who Trump disparaged. Kemp in Georgia, DeSantis in Florida both show Trump to be an albatross. Republicans, even hardline conservative ones, didn't lose yesterday where they were expected to win. Certain kinds of Republicans did.
Raffensperger also won his election, and he was attacked by Trump more than anyone not named Pence.
Yeah, an even better example. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Weak.
Yes, I'm feeling weak at this point. At least I was smart enough to quit donating money to the Republican party this election. Geez I'm so sick of those phone calls. Save America? What's left to salvage at this point? Maybe I'll go ahead and register as a Democrat and see if it helps on my taxes. 2021 couldn't have been worse for me on that unless I had actually gotten audited.
You live in a delusional fantasy world where you project your own B.S. onto others and larp about things that don’t exist. But you do you. All that poison you keep drinking ain’t gonna kill your enemies.
Well if you can't beat them join them, right? And when I'm gone, you'll be left to pay the bill unless you can swindle some Mexicans into coming in and working it off for you. It looks like Brazil and Colombia have just about arrived at communism as well. I don't see human beings regaining their freedom until Christ returns.
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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Re: Red Wave

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Hawkeye wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:03 am
Maybe I'll go ahead and register as a Democrat and see if it helps on my taxes. 2021 couldn't have been worse for me on that unless I had actually gotten audited.
Ajax, do you remember the conversations we had back after the Trump tax cuts went into effect?
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Re: Red Wave

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Gadianton wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:57 am
How's business been for you Gad? Perhaps you're smart enough to be one of the few to see good returns in this economy. I should have gotten out a long time ago. What a disaster and a waste $401k has become. It's the 21st century's version of the social security scam. They lure you in with a tax break and then cut you off at the knees with inflation.
Why would inflation hurt your 401k? If companies are beating expected earnings, then stock prices are going up. Rising prices follow a hot economy. But you don't like inflation. Okay, well, the traditional cure for that, as Trump appointed right-wing chairman of the Federal Reserve Jerome Powell will tell you, is to raise interest rates. Rising interest rates are what's killing the stock market. You can watch this is real time. Watch Jerome Powell open his mouth and watch the stock market go down. (it doesn't matter what political party the Fed chairmen is, the result is the same. I just point out the person causing the pain right now is a Trump appointee because Republicans don't seem to know this and just shout "Biden".)

When the Fed promotes higher interest rates then stocks get dumped for less risky assets; a lot of things are going on, but Imagine an extreme example: what if you could get 60% on your savings account? You'd hoard every cent. Nobody would want to spend. If everybody stops spending, then companies aren't selling and they aren't making money. If they aren't making money, employees get laid off. But something magical happens as a result of all of this: prices fall. That's right, Ajax, let me put it another way: Trump Appointee Jerome Powell is trying to make saving so attractive that it stops companies from making money and people lose their jobs, because that's the proven way to make prices fall and stop inflation.

If you have the least bit of curiosity about the world, you might ask yourself what Jerome Powell was doing during Trump's presidency, when Trump was king of the stock market? That's right, right-winger Jerome Powell was lowering interest rates like crazy. Take another extreme example: what if your bank account paid - 60%? You'd spend like there is no tomorrow. Lowering interest rates makes spending more attractive. That's the intuition. Jerome Powell lowered interest rates to nearly zero! What do you do once you can't lower them any farther? I'll tell you, once you get near zero, stocks start crashing because they anticipate the juice being turned off in the near future. Your 401k doing great up until rates hit about zero had less to do with a great economy and more to do with Powell. If Powell didn't drop rates to near zero, he wouldn't have to clean up the mess by backing them up to 4 or 5 or 6 in a short time span.

Don't stop putting money into your 401k now; don't be like my right-wing friend and buy high and sell low.

Sure, everyone wishes they sold at the top. But remember, trading is a zero-sum game. If everybody sold at the top then everyone would instantly be at the bottom. The only way you could have sold at the top and then bought the bottom, is at the expense of other market participants. Brilliant hedge funds managers with big degrees and high-tech software analyzing the crap out of the market are playing a zero-sum game against other brilliant hedge fund managers with the same software. That means, be careful about trying to time the market, dollar cost averaging and diversifying is still the best way to go.

My personal trading account is doing much better than my 401k or the market, but while in the black this year, is not great. If I can slowly improve it, I'll do more on my own and put less in my 401k, but I would never just pull my 401k or sell my house at the top and rent, hoping the market will crash. That's risky stuff.
Well thanks for the advice. I asked my accountant how much good putting money into an IRA each month was doing for me on taxes and she didn't respond. I envy one of my fellow optometrists who got out in 2017 and brought gold. That was smart and it has paid off for him. But it was easier for him to do given he had no wife or dependents. He had some crypto but wisely got out of that too.
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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Re: Red Wave

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Ajax, do you remember the conversations we had back after the Trump tax cuts went into effect?
Yeah, I think so.
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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Re: Red Wave

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Hawkeye wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:03 am
It looks like Brazil and Colombia have just about arrived at communism as well. I don't see human beings regaining their freedom until Christ returns.
God you're a rube. Everything you think you know about the outside world comes from the same fake news fake outrage outlets. Brazil is far from Communist, and they reason they elected a guy who was formerly convicted on corruption is because the only alternative was a right wing autocrat who had no original ideas of his own but thought he'd just act like he's the Trump of South America. Deny science whether it be on COVID or the Amazon's deforestation, attack minorities, attack homosexuals, claim voter fraud when he loses, etc.

Lula is a moron but he was President when I moved there in 2004 and the Brazilian currency was at its highest value in decades, the economy was growing at 5%, everything was booming in terms of the economy because he refused to dump spending into useless military jets and instead chose to feed the poor. Child malnutrition in Brazil fell 61.9% between 2003 and 2009 during his tenure, and that's why he got elected again. Because despite all his faults, Lula is quite literally the only politician in the history of Brazil to do ANYTHING for the poor. Most people who are biblically literate would call that Christian, but to you that's "communist."
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