That is a good, truthful, and honest answer.Informant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:00 amI don’t know for sure. I jump to certain conclusions based on available evidence, which could change at any time.KevinSim wrote: Informant, how did you come to the conclusion that we cannot know anything, that we cannot know truth, or that nothing can be proven?
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The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession... The LORD set his love on you and chose you... The LORD has brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery. Deut. 7
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So as far as we know it's possible to know things, to know truth, and to prove things. In fact, one thing that I know is that we cannot know that we cannot know anything. That's a little indirect, but it's still true.Informant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:00 amI don’t know for sure. I jump to certain conclusions based on available evidence, which could change at any time.KevinSim wrote:Informant, how did you come to the conclusion that we cannot know anything, that we cannot know truth, or that nothing can be proven?
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I agree that I know for certain that I am something that is able to question its own existence. I know that I am a thinking thing.KevinSim wrote: Rene Descartes gave what was in his time a pretty persuasive argument for concluding that he was. More recently philosophers have poked holes in Descartes' alleged proof, but I still think Descartes had something. I think that if each of us think about it a little bit, one thing each can know is that s/he exists.
I don’t know anything else absolutely.
But this thread has gone way off the rails. What were you all talking about?
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Yes! That’s what I was saying.
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers.”~Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow
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What weren't they all talking about?Informant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:23 amI agree that I know for certain that I am something that is able to question its own existence. I know that I am a thinking thing.KevinSim wrote: Rene Descartes gave what was in his time a pretty persuasive argument for concluding that he was. More recently philosophers have poked holes in Descartes' alleged proof, but I still think Descartes had something. I think that if each of us think about it a little bit, one thing each can know is that s/he exists.
I don’t know anything else absolutely.
But this thread has gone way off the rails. What were you all talking about?
he/him
When I go to sea, don’t fear for me. Fear for the storm.
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When I go to sea, don’t fear for me. Fear for the storm.
Jessica Best, Fear for the Storm. From The Strange Case of the Starship Iris.
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Well done for concatenating three "that"s!
I can't help wondering if msnobody has at least as much grounds for her assumption as you have for many of yours, including your assumption that your god exists and speaks to you.
eta: "exists and"
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We were talking about whether Christianity explains how we can know that it tells the truth about God. Informant, you seem to be saying that it doesn't explain that, perhaps that it can't explain that. That would mean that if we go on the assumption that God exists, the possibility exists that everybody in Christianity has a set of beliefs about God that God doesn't want them to have. Can God be happy with that state of Christianity's ignorance?
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Thanks for pointing me to these five chapters, MsNobody! I'll give it my best shot. I'll try to read them without skepticism, though for someone who's heard a lot of criticism of works like that, that's not a trivial job.msnobody wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:50 amAll I can say is read 1 John chapters 1-5. Read it as a child.
https://www.esv.org/1+John+1/ it describes what I’m saying.