Here is "Who Killed Joseph Smith?"
https://vimeo.com/665462413
It argues that Joseph was murdered by Brigham.
Here is a commenter on SeN defending the video and claiming the LDS church is in apostasy:
DCP, ironically, makes an appeal to the scholarly consensus to refute this Mormon's testimony. The same consensus he rejects when it comes to the historicity of the Books of Abraham and Mormon.Unorthodox SeN commenter wrote:I was a dedicated LDS youth, full temple recommend, meditated, fasted, prayed for 40 days straight. Was visited of the Lord and Joseph Smith as a teen in 1992. On the evening on the anniversary of the martydom, in 1992, I was taken away in vision and shown the deaths of the Joseph and Hyrum, only to my suprise was shown that Willard Richards shot Joseph Smith. So this "special" kind of malice came directly from the Lord and Joseph Smith himself, but I am sure you will shout "Decevied!" But everything shall come to the Light. Their blood cries from the dust like the prophets of old, and the naïve Saints will weep, and wail and gnash their teeth, just like in the days of old when the true church was on earth, and their own members killed each other. The Nephites killed Nephites. Men who saw angels, killed each other, yet in modern day you refuse to accept men would kill other men for monetary gain.
Brigham Young said Joseph Smith did not have an ounce of inspiration in him before he was taken to Carthage.
Brigham Young called Lucy Smith crazy.
Brigham Young said Emma Smith was a liar and fraud.
Now think real hard, who had motive.
In the Lords name, Jesus Christ, I testify these things are true.
And know them to be true with every fiber of my being.
I know more and more people are being shown this truth by the spirit of almighty God.
The Lord is about to shake the foundations and cleanse his church.
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Justin is doing the research, but spirit has been showing people the truth since 1844.
Just anyone who is shown the truth is excommunicated.
Everything is falling into place and their blood cries from the dust.
The doubters will be ultimately faced with undeniable evidence.
Why doesn't John Gee present his Book of Abraham apologetics in the proper venue? Oh, right, because the evidence against him is undeniable...Defender of the Orthodoxy DCP wrote:Todd Jumper: "The doubters will be ultimately faced with undeniable evidence."
The evidence that justifies our doubts is already undeniable.
If Mr. Griffin is seeking a venue in which to argue his case, with responses, I suggest that he offer presentations at the Mormon History Association and the John Whitmer Historical Association. There are other possibilities too, of course, but those are the first two that come to mind.
I just love the back and forth between these two Mormons. It's like they're arguing about where Hogwarts was really located. Or exactly how tall Hobbits really were. Both of them hold positions which no non-Mormon academic would ever advance. Both of them cherry-pick evidence to suit their pre-existing beliefs.Unorthodox SeN Commenter wrote:Here’s the bottom line people. This is about forensics and the historical record. He had the Countries leading forensic detective in the film. He has posted every known historical reference on the website.
He has invited any Church historians to debate him. He will happily confess his error if you can prove one. Meanwhile how about a face to face debate?
Not one of you has referenced anything about the film: Instead you all hide behind claims it has been thoroughly debunked without showing how.
Instead you make uninformed judgements about his motives and character.
You talk about people you don’t like who had absolutely nothing to do with the project.
You claim he started a splinter group, that he’s under the influence of the devil. You talk about everything except the actual substance of the film.
I don’t think your standard of judgment is as pleasing to the Savior as you are convinced it is.
I don’t think it’s helping your position Mr Peterson.
The best part? Believing Mormons have been so brainwashed to accept apologetics, and not to do their own research, that many of them believe this new Joseph Smith narrative. Here's the comments on the video "Who Killed Joseph Smith?"
Very good work! Loved what you put together. I have never thought this was a possibility till now.
Another piece of evidence this video explains, without actually saying it: the unmistakeable, astonishing silence from the heavens as it pertains to the LDS church receiving ongoing revelations...
Daniel - this isn't the work of Satan. This is the work of LDS apologists like you who teach Mormons not to follow the evidence and to just believe in spite of it.Great video. I learned a lot.