Making Covenants

[MG 2.0]

…you know nothing about my beliefs…

Care to share?

Regards,
MG

[Philo Sofee]

I do agree with you that simply making claim to authority is not sufficient. There needs to be enough evidence of one kind or another to give strong reason to have this belief.

There should be some kind of track record that seems more than likely to point towards a fullness of God’s authority being used in practice rather than either charlatanism and/or ignorance in application of Biblical principles/teachings by honest believers.

Not to say that God doesn’t work through and in behalf of individuals of whatever belief/practice that have pure motivations to serve others in God’s name.

God loves ALL His children. On that I think we can agree. At least, that is, if you believe in a loving creator God.

Regards,
MG

Yes indeed, and we both know we don't see it on display in the world. To imagine that God only works through someone who claims to have the authority rather than simply be in the world helping make it better since he went to the trouble to make this place, that would make sense. Now if only we could get God a little bit more involved in helping make the world a better place... you know, the failed 2 worldwide fasts to stave off Covid. God could have honestly at least lifted a finger for all the innocent who went through that and died horrid deaths. I mean ignoring his own prophet for worldwide fast, and then all that effort, that ain't all that impressive.

And WHY punish Turkey with such devastating earthquakes of all those poor folk when the obvious F*CKING mass murderer is allowed to continue on into Ukraine is literally beyond all rationality and spirituality of God. All those torture camps, and brutal wiping out of ALL people regardless of age, sex, or nationality as they blast their way indiscriminately, and uh, well you know, perhaps God is testing the Ukranians faith or something.

[MG 2.0]

I do agree with you that simply making claim to authority is not sufficient. There needs to be enough evidence of one kind or another to give strong reason to have this belief.

There should be some kind of track record that seems more than likely to point towards a fullness of God’s authority being used in practice rather than either charlatanism and/or ignorance in application of Biblical principles/teachings by honest believers.

Not to say that God doesn’t work through and in behalf of individuals of whatever belief/practice that have pure motivations to serve others in God’s name.

God loves ALL His children. On that I think we can agree. At least, that is, if you believe in a loving creator God.

Regards,
MG

Yes indeed, and we both know we don't see it on display in the world. To imagine that God only works through someone who claims to have the authority rather than simply be in the world helping make it better since he went to the trouble to make this place, that would make sense. Now if only we could get God a little bit more involved in helping make the world a better place... you know, the failed 2 worldwide fasts to stave off Covid. God could have honestly at least lifted a finger for all the innocent who went through that and died horrid deaths. I mean ignoring his own prophet for worldwide fast, and then all that effort, that ain't all that impressive.

Apparently the Covid period recently experienced impacted your belief/faith in a loving God? If not, where did YOU see His hand manifest during that period of time?

How do you know that the fasting of many people did NOT play a part in where we are today as we are hopefully coming out of the severe mortality count period of Covid?

Isn’t it a good thing that President Nelson encouraged the people of the world to humble themselves and fast with the hopes of God’s blessings?

I’m assuming you did? Even if not under his direction? You had the faith that God could/would somehow intervene through all means possible/necessary?

Or are you now agnostic in some sense? I’m really not sure what your current beliefs are. Those expressions are few and far between on this board.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

And WHY punish Turkey with such devastating earthquakes of all those poor folk when the obvious F*CKING mass murderer is allowed to continue on into Ukraine is literally beyond all rationality and spirituality of God. All those torture camps, and brutal wiping out of ALL people regardless of age, sex, or nationality as they blast their way indiscriminately, and uh, well you know, perhaps God is testing the Ukranians faith or something.

OK. You added to your original post. It sounds like you do have a thing in regards to an all knowing and loving God.

You believe that a loving God would step directly and observably in every instance of mass brutality and mayhem.

That doesn’t seem to be His track record.

The question could be asked…why? Have you ever come across some rhyme or reason to answer this question that still allows for faith in a loving and all knowing deity?

Regards,
MG

[runewell]

I’ve been reading a book by Kerry Muhlestein whom many of you are probably familiar with. In this book he lays out the importance of making covenants with God.

Clearly, everyone is a child of God

Speaking from a Christian point of view that is an incorrect assumption, using two verses from the book of John:
John 1:12 says "Yet to all who did receive him [Jesus], to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God."
John 8:38 says "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires"

Having been born into sin our father is the devil, not God, and it requires faith in Jesus to become a child of God.

[MG 2.0]

I’ve been reading a book by Kerry Muhlestein whom many of you are probably familiar with. In this book he lays out the importance of making covenants with God.

Speaking from a Christian point of view that is an incorrect assumption, using two verses from the book of John:
John 1:12 says "Yet to all who did receive him [Jesus], to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God."
John 8:38 says "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires"

Having been born into sin our father is the devil, not God, and it requires faith in Jesus to become a child of God.

Scripture chase time, huh?

Nah. That could go on forever.

But I value your belief in Jesus/God and willingness to try and follow in His footsteps in righteousness.

Best wishes to you. Lord love you brother.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

[MG 2.0]

If your intent is to accurately quote me, you failed.

Regards,
MG

[IHAQ]

Interestingly, the current First Presidency, Presiding Bishopric, Ensign Peak Advisors and Kirton McConkie have all breached their covenants. Without any censure for doing so. By their example your protestations in support of covenants are rendered irrelevant. It’s clear you don’t need to keep your covenants.

[MG 2.0]

Interestingly, the current First Presidency, Presiding Bishopric, Ensign Peak Advisors and Kirton McConkie have all breached their covenants. Without any censure for doing so. By their example your protestations in support of covenants are rendered irrelevant. It’s clear you don’t need to keep your covenants.

Mistakes were made. This is not the first time. Mistakes, however, do not negate the opportunity to repent. The need to repent. That is the essence of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We ALL have need of a repentance. You. Me. Everyone.

Not that everyone takes advantage of doing so.

Even if the motives of the leaders were sound and above board, the implementation of shell companies and less than transparent reporting procedures snowballed/escalated into that which proved over time to be unsound business practices as far as the SEC was concerned.

Those practices are now curtailed. Hopefully, lesson learned.

You mentioned that it is not necessary for me or any other member of the church to keep the covenants we have made with God. I’m not sure that I ought to trust your judgement on that count. Well, actually I am sure. You are not to be trusted as you have broken yours. Assuming that at one time you had made sacred covenants.

IHAQ, we don’t make covenants with the church. Covenants are between us and God. There’s a difference.

As I’m sure you can see/realize.

Regards,
MG