Secular folks should worry.

[Dr Exiled]

…you can't stop yourself from behaving like a hypocritical ass.

I could easily say that about some folks that have participated on this very thread. And it would be true.

But I won’t.

I’m happy to let others determine whether or not I’ve been forthright and upfront in dealing honestly and objectively during the length and breadth of this thread with folks that already have a predetermined antagonistic view towards the church and its leaders.

But, gosh, do you really think I’m going to take what you say seriously after this thread? Sheesh.

You’ve already proven yourself a biased and prejudiced ex member of the church with a chip on their shoulder. Harping incessantly on the ‘bigot’ track was a dead giveaway for me. I had thought better of you previously.

I believe I’ve brought up some valid points and concerns with a full understanding that there are going to be folks such as yourself that will not agree.

That’s fine. Different perspectives are welcome. That’s how we learn and grow.

Regards,
MG

I could easily say that about some folks that have participated on this very thread. And it would be true.

But I won’t.

I don't know what you expect when you come here preaching. But, at least you aren't getting into a tit for tat? If I were your senior companion, I would strongly advise you against it. Bible bashing or pointing out fault and disguising it as a discussion won't get you very far Elder. People can easily sift through the false condescension.

[malkie]

Moses' additions didn't really help, did they?

I think that overall they have.

If folks would obey these Ten Commandments the world would be a much happier place.

Regards,
MG

Am I reading you right? You are claiming that, for the purposes of a civil society (which I was talking about in the part of my comment that you didn't quote) the world would be a much happier place if people pandered to a god, and obeyed a commandment meant to allow them to 'live long and prosper'?

I expect that without these four, people would get along just fine. I don't think you made your case that they "helped" with fostering a civil society.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

You don’t learn, and you don’t grow.

- Doc

Look in the mirror, bub.

Regards,
MG

Dumb. Tu quoque. 25 years of static crap posting. Thick as pig crap pushing “values” like his prophet marrying dead children as peachy keen.

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

Congratulations folks! We made it to page 65. No worse for the wear and I think a number of good points were made along the way. Since I started the thread I think I will end it…knowing that I will not have the last word and that others will want to have the final say.

That’s OK.

Thanks for participating.

I, for one, learned some things I didn’t know before and had some beliefs and opinions solidified a bit more as they came up against differing views.

Peace,
MG

[Res Ipsa]

You spent page after page after page demonizing people who don't believe in God, comparing them to Hitler and Stalin and Mao (oh my), yet hypocritically claim to be peacemaker.

You are misrepresenting what I’ve said and are overblowing things in order to create a caricature.

The lawyer.

Regards,
MG

That’s your go to excuse. Exactly how is what I said a mischaracterization?

[Res Ipsa]

…you can't stop yourself from behaving like a hypocritical ass.

I could easily say that about some folks that have participated on this very thread. And it would be true.

But I won’t.

I’m happy to let others determine whether or not I’ve been forthright and upfront in dealing honestly and objectively during the length and breadth of this thread with folks that already have a predetermined antagonistic view towards the church and its leaders.

But, gosh, do you really think I’m going to take what you say seriously after this thread? Sheesh.

You’ve already proven yourself a biased and prejudiced ex member of the church with a chip on their shoulder. Harping incessantly on the ‘bigot’ track was a dead giveaway for me. I had thought better of you previously.

I believe I’ve brought up some valid points and concerns with a full understanding that there are going to be folks such as yourself that will not agree.

That’s fine. Different perspectives are welcome. That’s how we learn and grow.

Regards,
MG

Now you’re out and out lying. I’ve criticized you, not Mormonism. Nothing in my posts reflects any bitterness towards the church. But in post after post, you’ve portrayed nonbelievers as an existential threat to society based on your own bigoted stereotypes. And, when not able to justify your own bigotry, you resort to one of the most bigoted stereotypes in Mormon culture.

You just made my case.

[honorentheos]

...folks that already have a predetermined antagonistic view towards the church and its leaders.

Seriously, why would this matter in a discussion about common principles and values held by diverse peoples in a shared pluralistic society?

[Res Ipsa]

...folks that already have a predetermined antagonistic view towards the church and its leaders.

Seriously, why would this matter in a discussion about common principles and values held by diverse peoples in a shared pluralistic society?

Throughout this discussion he’s divided the world into only two categories, believers and nonbelievers. That’s what the discussion has been about. But when his claims are shown to be nonsense, he plays the Mormon persecution card. Civil society indeed.

[honorentheos]

Seriously, why would this matter in a discussion about common principles and values held by diverse peoples in a shared pluralistic society?

Throughout this discussion he’s divided the world into only two categories, believers and nonbelievers. That’s what the discussion has been about. But when his claims are shown to be nonsense, he plays the Mormon persecution card. Civil society indeed.

For sure. I'm still somewhat baffled that he doesn't see this is directly opposed to the most basic discussion point in the thread regarding the nature of civil society as pertains to the United States. Past postings had left me convinced he was primarily here as a crusader for rightwing culture war causes rather than actual discussion. But even that didn't prepare me for the blatant assertions and mythologizing condescension of the OP and his subsequent remarks. He claims he has now wandered off back to his land of pale ankles and Crocs to reggall the masses with tales from among the (scare quotes) secular humanists (end scare quotes) I guess.

Kids these days.

[Marcus]

…you can't stop yourself from behaving like a hypocritical ass.

I could easily say that about some folks that have participated on this very thread. And it would be true.

But I won’t.

I’m happy to let others determine whether or not I’ve been forthright and upfront in dealing honestly and objectively during the length and breadth of this thread...

ok, let's do that. first, however, Doc already said it well elsewhere...

MG luxuriates in a flawed epistemology, which for him is nothing more than an endless special pleading argument - that his beliefs are special in the sense that they can't be challenged by conventional logic and reasoning. Obviously feelings are not a reliable pathway to truth, but he uses them to codify his cognitive bias as truth. It’s probably the worst epistemology you can have...

And yet, the shill just spams away. Week after week, despite the master classes that have been afforded him here. He doesn’t read. He doesn’t care. He just blithely scrolls past posts, and repeats himself...

i agree for the most part, but i think there is also a masochistic component. he comes here, says horrible things about people, things that he has to know are insanely illogical and grossly inhumane, and then waits for people to object, sometimes poking and prodding with multiple posts in a row, even responding to himself, until he gets a response. When he does, no matter how reasonable the response may have been or how full of actual content, he focuses on the "attacks" (real or imagined) on himself. At that point, he can sorrowfully declare himself as a martyr for his [whatever], and luxuriate in his role as a long suffering saint, in his mind clearly maligned by those he considers his inferiors.

in my opinion, secretly he enjoys disrupting discussions with this kind of trolling, but only if he can pretend he is engaging in saintly martyrdom, so it hopefully stifles some of that irritating self-awareness that occasionally has to bubble to the surface, whispering 'what a mean-spirited jerk I really, really am.'

And, also in my opinion, he takes advantage of the most cult-like aspects of the Mormon church in order to engage in and justify this twisted hobby.