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Morley wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:40 pm
Gadianton wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:57 am
While MG 2.0 has repeated his platitude about government overreach, millions being trampled on, and moderate conservativism being our only hope, he's given only a single example of the godless atheist communist threat: The gay wedding cake.
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And once again the idea that only the religious can be trusted to protect people's rights:
MG wrote:Would the Constitution and the Bill of Rights remain intact under a government composed of those who are not friendly towards religion? Or at worst, antagonistic? After all, it’s the Founding Documents and the protections embedded in them that are the only thing really in the way of those that would seek to supersede the “natural rights of man”.
MG wrote:... government overreach into the lives of private citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights
The implication that government overreach is a godless attribute - never found in places with "Christian" governments, for example, Florida, Utah, Idaho, southern states.

Is this true?

Or am I misreading MG, as he claims happens frequently.
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Here in Utah, the State Board of Education had ~6 hour debate whether or not to teach The Flood.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Utah/comments/ ... hether_or/

As science. The Biblical global flood. As science.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:03 pm
Here in Utah, the State Board of Education had ~6 hour debate whether or not to teach The Flood.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Utah/comments/ ... hether_or/

As science. The Biblical global flood. As science.

-_-

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Over in Ohio yesterday, we discovered that opposition to the latest Republican attempt to rob people of freedoms, House Bill 68, means you are possessed by demons.

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Pulling one example from your list:
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:01 pm
First Amendment concerns.
Academic Institutions with a leftest/liberal leaning.
I agree. Government shouldn't be able to dictate what private institutions, with their own academic boards and oversight, should teach. That Republican legislators and voters are attacking the First Amendment by doing this is of great concern.
The government DOESN’T dictate the comings and goings (and political leanings) of college/university administrators. But the fact is, two thirds of those folks consider themselves to be somewhere on the leftest/liberal spectrum. Those folks dictate to a large extent what happens on their campuses and what can and cannot be said/taught. Who can and can’t visit their campuses to speak, etc.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/20 ... ty-members

There are some long term ramifications of this situation (which has existed for a while now) which I’m sure you can see. Those ramifications might even be inline with your hopes and dreams for GenZ and future generations.

There are many folks, however, who would like to see free thought and expression/discussion be the norm on college/university campuses.

It’s possible that the fate of our Republic depends on it.

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Vēritās wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:07 pm
So its looking like TC was ousted because Murdoch got fed up with him after recent texts revealed he had badmouthed his producers. People above him. He called one woman the C word and apparently TC was upset that those texts weren't made public during the dominion case because he wanted her to know he had said those things about her. He just felt like he was FOX and that he could rule over it with an iron fist. The ego got away from him but Murdoch brought him back down to earth quickly by letting him know who was really in charge.
Tucker Carlson is Episcopalian.

Is this civil society?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:03 pm
Here in Utah, the State Board of Education had ~6 hour debate whether or not to teach The Flood.
As per my last post, those debates SHOULD happen. Not be exorcised because one group makes a decision that the debate can’t even be brought to the floor.

You seem to be saying the debate should have been ‘canceled’.

This is not as it should be. Cancellation through intimidation and/or ridicule is a poison/toxin to our society. No matter which side of the floor/debate it comes from.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:14 pm
Pulling one example from your list:
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:01 pm


I agree. Government shouldn't be able to dictate what private institutions, with their own academic boards and oversight, should teach. That Republican legislators and voters are attacking the First Amendment by doing this is of great concern.
The government DOESN’T dictate the comings and goings (and political leanings) of college/university administrators. But the fact is, two thirds of those folks consider themselves to be somewhere on the leftest/liberal spectrum. Those folks dictate to a large extent what happens on their campuses and what can and cannot be said/taught. Who can and can’t visit their campuses to speak, etc.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/20 ... ty-members

There are some long term ramifications of this situation (which has existed for a while now) which I’m sure you can see. Those ramifications might even be inline with your hopes and dreams for GenZ and future generations.

There are many folks, however, who would like to see free thought and expression/discussion be the norm on college/university campuses.

It’s possible that the fate of our Republic depends on it.

Regards,
MG
So, legislating against the liberty and freedom of institutions of higher learning, is ok because the administrators are generally more liberal?

Yikes.

I guess that's one way to combat the fact that the more educated an individual is, the less likely they are to vote Republican.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:14 pm

Tucker Carlson is Episcopalian.
Should he be cancelled? Oh yeah, he was. And the gals on The View had a heyday. Excluding Whoppi, much to her credit.

Would you have him cancelled because you don’t agree with him? I don’t agree with some of the things he says, but I’m not in favor of cancellation of his voice.

If ‘the other side’ has arguments which are superior to his in truth/value then let them speak! That’s the nature of a free and open society.

Some would like tighter regulations on thought. The Thought Police.

Cancellation is one tactic that is used. Intimidation and name calling is one of a number of tactics used. It’s done on this very board.

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:24 pm

So, legislating against the liberty and freedom of institutions of higher learning, is ok because the administrators are generally more liberal?

Yikes.
I said:

The government DOESN’T dictate the comings and goings (and political leanings) of college/university administrators.
I did say that administrators themselves are having an impact on college/university campuses. Please read my entire post as it is written without contextually mutilating the meaning.

One Marcus is enough. I could name some others but I won’t. She is the most obvious example.

This has been a common tactic used to distort the truth by naysayers. And it’s easy to get away with because most people won’t go back and look at full context and meaning.

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MG
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