Church Historian Admits “Compelling Evidence to Doubt” Mormonism

[MG 2.0]

If you listened to his talk I think we would agree that there would be little or no chance this would happen.

Powerful sermon. It would be a bit difficult for some folks to listen to. Cuts to the chase.

Regards,
MG

Actually it is a morass of confusions, and extremely misleading, as I shall demonstrate extensively in my response.

Yeah. I’m sure you will.

Regards,
MG

[Philo Sofee]

Actually it is a morass of confusions, and extremely misleading, as I shall demonstrate extensively in my response.

Yeah. I’m sure you will.

Regards,
MG

Yes, indeed, I will.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

It's a good thing that Boyd K. Packer isn't around to chastise the Church historian. That would have been an awkward conversation.

[Moksha]

Have you mastered the art of self-hypnosis sufficiently that a mountain of compelling evidence to the contrary will not overturn your testimony and obedience to Church Authorities? When you awake you will bark like a dog and raise your paw to the square.

[Physics Guy]

There’s no evidence that the catholic Eucharist turns into the literal body and blood of Christ, either. It is entirely based on faith. Catholics aren’t called into their priest’s office and interrogated on that belief. Mormons need to be honest and mature in the same way.

The Pope doesn't believe that the communion wine physically turns into blood, or the wafer into meat. That was never the actual doctrine, though no doubt many misguided believers assumed it was. The Catholic insistence is that the transformation at consecration is real even though it's not physical. What the heck that means is a famous rabbit hole. At any rate it has proven to be stretchy enough as a concept that millions of people who are well aware that the wafers stay wafers nevertheless attend Mass without cognitive dissonance. Buttonhole an average Catholic today to tell them the bread doesn't turn into flesh, they'll just eye-roll.

How far in that sort of direction can Mormonism really go, though? It seems to me that it's a big part of what Mormonism is, to reject abstract hocus-pocus like Transsubstantiation and the Trinity in favor of down-to-earth literalism. In a lot of ways that's no doubt even a strength. It just leaves you with little room to maneuver when the down-to-earth literal teaching is clearly literally false.

[malkie]

Well, he wouldn't want to suffer the same fate as Poelman, right?

If you listened to his talk I think we would agree that there would be little or no chance this would happen.

Powerful sermon. It would be a bit difficult for some folks to listen to. Cuts to the chase.

Regards,
MG

I think you missed my point: since Poelman, I expect that church leaders might want to stay away from the idea that people can have perfectly fine relationships with their deity without the church getting in the middle.

[sock puppet]

My old missionary companion, Elder Kyle S Mckay, currently the Church Historian, recently admitted in a public devotional at BYU Idaho that there is “compelling evidence to doubt” Mormonism.

It isn’t easy to disagree with him…

https://video.byui.edu/media/t/1_emz6rix1

Wow. That’s powerful. Jesus is the answer.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Everyone should at least listen to the complete talk.

You’re right. It isn’t easy to disagree with him.

Regards,
MG

Hey, MG, what do you think McKay was referring to when he said "compelling evidence to doubt" Mormonism?

[huckelberry]

It's a good thing that Boyd K. Packer isn't around to chastise the Church historian. That would have been an awkward conversation.

I imagine Boyd Packer would congratulate him on his fine talk. It avoided discussing any possible unhelpful information. Instead people should focus only building their belief and not wavering.

[Shulem]

Brainwashing? Only if you think that his admonition to gain your own testimony of Christ is manipulative. The onus is completely on us to follow through and work on developing a faith/testimony of/in Christ and His Gospel.

Will you be my friend?

[Shulem]

Actually it is a morass of confusions, and extremely misleading, as I shall demonstrate extensively in my response.

McKay is a creep spreading the belief of fear and punishment for those who refuse to accept Mormonism. They seek to intimidate and threaten! It is abusive behavior and practiced for the sole purpose of brainwashing, controlling, and scaring people to stay in the boat lest they drown in sin. The spiritual vibrations of this man are very creepy, indeed. He's not someone I would want to spend my time with.

Well, it's wonderful outside that boat! I so testify of that!