Three Questions (Split from, ‘Vogel Responds …’)

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

...Tithing is a core doctrine at this time. I mentioned that earlier...

And earlier?

...I didn’t even mention tithing as being a core doctrine...

Classic MG

[MG 2.0]

...Tithing is a core doctrine at this time. I mentioned that earlier...

And earlier?

...I didn’t even mention tithing as being a core doctrine...

I’m seeing the ellipses again. I would suggest to others going back and looking at things contextually. In my answer to drumdude I made the point that the law of the tithe is a part/subset of the Law of Sacrifice. That law has/will be ongoing. The law of the tithe may not. But it it is for now.

So tithing is doctrinal in the sense that it’s part of a larger all enveloping doctrine of sacrifice. Jesus being the prime exemplar.

Anything we do pales by comparison.

But for some, it is still an unwanted sacrifice.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

And earlier?

Classic MG

Welcome back Herr Doktor.

Regards,
MG

[malkie]

1) Historicity of the Book of Mormon is a core doctrine. DCP says if you believe it’s not historical you must keep that to yourself to remain a member in good standing. I agree with him.

2) Tithing is a core doctrine. You cannot get married in the temple if you are not a full tithe payer.

3-5)Obeying the brethren even if they’re wrong is a core doctrine. The brethren are very often demonstrably wrong.


All of these hold great weight because if you go against them you are either excommunicated, or lose out on temple blessings, or are asked not to speak at church. Anything that holds such consequences must, in my opinion, be a core doctrine and not merely be just a peripheral issue.

As far as 1) goes, if historicity of the Book of Mormon were not a core doctrine - could be considered minor/peripheral - in what sense could Joseph Smith possibly proclaim that “the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion”?

I'm not sure how that statement could be true at the same time as an admission of even potential lack of historicity.

[MG 2.0]

So it appears as though there are certain issues connected with practices and/or certain peripheral doctrines that act as road blocks to accepting core doctrines which are central to belief.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... s?lang=eng

One through nine.

My suggestion is that one through nine are central to belief and that there are peripheral issues that lead towards disbelief in the greater whole.

It is the greater whole that holds the most importance and is of the greatest consequence to salvation/exaltation in the eternities.

At least that is what the average active member of the church would say in my estimation.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

1) Historicity of the Book of Mormon is a core doctrine. DCP says if you believe it’s not historical you must keep that to yourself to remain a member in good standing. I agree with him.

2) Tithing is a core doctrine. You cannot get married in the temple if you are not a full tithe payer.

3-5)Obeying the brethren even if they’re wrong is a core doctrine. The brethren are very often demonstrably wrong.


All of these hold great weight because if you go against them you are either excommunicated, or lose out on temple blessings, or are asked not to speak at church. Anything that holds such consequences must, in my opinion, be a core doctrine and not merely be just a peripheral issue.

As far as 1) goes, if historicity of the Book of Mormon were not a core doctrine - could be considered minor/peripheral - in what sense could Joseph Smith possibly proclaim that “the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion”?

I'm not sure how that statement could be true at the same time as an admission of even potential lack of historicity.

Fuller context:

“I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

Abiding by its precepts is a loaded phrase, in my opinion. I would suggest that doctrines are included. If that is so, the Book of Mormon isn’t ITSELF doctrine, but that which is included in its pages is. The pure doctrine of Christ is included within its pages. THAT is what is important.

If those doctrines are either followed/believed/rejected THAT is what actually matters.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Classic MG

Welcome back Herr Doktor.

Regards,
MG

I never left, mein turknoff.

[MG 2.0]

I never left, mein turknoff.

Nonetheless, it’s good to have you here.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I never left, mein turknoff.

Nonetheless, it’s good to have you here.

Regards,
MG

What a weird thing to say to a poster who has 8000+ posts, has never left, and has engaged you in conversation here and there for well over a decade. Are you stupid, or do you really not know who you're talking to at any given moment so you don't recall which posters you do and don't have conversations with over the years?

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

Nonetheless, it’s good to have you here.

Regards,
MG

What a weird thing to say…
- Doc

I’m referring to this thread. Just a few pages ago…pg. 14…you jumped in and said:

damned classic MG

Anyway, Herr verdrießlichkeit, good to have you on this thread.

What are your thoughts in response to the question at hand?

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MG