dan vogel wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:03 pm
Shulem wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:18 pm
a purported revelation
In the video clip above, Vogel asserts that it must have been by
revelation that Joseph Smith determined Lehi's landing and that's why Richards & Little added the heading for "LEHI'S TRAVELS" —
Revelation to Joseph the Seer., in A COMPENDIUM OF THE DOCTRINES OF THE GOSPEL., 1884, But the fact is that Smith never formerly announced Chile as a
revelation but it became a matter of conjecture and tradition in the Church --
hearsay.
Now you sound like an apologist. If you recall, I argued that Richards probably got the idea that Lehi's Travels was a revelation from Bernhisel, who apparently copied it in 1845.
Well, you did argue for
several positions taken regarding the origin of the statement referencing "revelation" to Lehi's travels"
1. The tradition regarding Joseph Smith's inspired authorship is correct
2. Joseph Smith authored the statement but it's purported revelatory status is questionable
3. Fredrick G. Williams, Smith's scribe, is the real author of the statement which may or may not be inspired
But then it's like you're talking to apologists when referencing the placement of the added heading by Richards & Little who attributed revelation to the Chile destination, you ask rather rhetorically:
Vogel wrote:How else could one know the exact latitudes in Lehi's journey if not by revelation, who else could make such a statement besides Joseph Smith? The reasons for Richards & Little believing such was the case will be discussed in detail later.
And you provided lots of details. You discuss how F.G. Williams was said to have had revelation about Lehi's travels at the dedication of the Kirtland temple. Manuscripts, manuscripts, etc. And much more!
B.H. Roberts questioned the claim of revelation and authority for Chile in Lehi's Travel's, and thus, Book of Mormon apologetics was born.
Dan, your podcast was packed with a lot of information and interesting facts. But when it comes down to it, the question you pose about who else could make such a statement besides Joseph Smith in reference to where Lehi landed packs a hell of a punch! It totally supports your hemispheric model and ideas and yet neglects to take into consideration that Smith was simply telling more lies in an effort to cover up the true geography in which he imagined.
Sorry, but I disagree with you. The Pratts were dumb enough to not comprehend the limited geography in the text but NOT Joseph Smith! I will argue all day in defending Smith insomuch as he was too smart for that crap.